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2 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

He didn't make a comment, he answered a question honestly that was asked of him.

 

He is not a Conservative, he supports the working class not the ruling class. What was foremost in his mind was that Churchill was a Tory Home Secretary who sent troops into a mining town during the 1910-11 rather than as a Conservative War Leader. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Can you explain to me why in 2019 we should still be trying to protect our 'elders and betters', the aristocracy and the monarchy? Haven't we been bowing and scraping and tugging our forelocks long enough?

 

It's a British thing. 

 

While ever we have a monarchy and an aristocracy,  we will have a class system that defers to inherited wealth and position, regardless of  actual ability and achievement. It underpins the British way of life even today.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Can you explain to me why in 2019 we should still be trying to protect our 'elders and betters', the aristocracy and the monarchy? Haven't we been bowing and scraping and tugging our forelocks long enough?

 

So which of those are you classing Churchill to be in  - aristocracy or monarchy?

 

There's a reason he's often voted Greatest Briton of all time, or at least in the top three.  Its quite sad that you need this pointing out, and even sadder you defend someone like McDonnell. 

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3 hours ago, alchresearch said:

So which of those are you classing Churchill to be in  - aristocracy or monarchy?

 

There's a reason he's often voted Greatest Briton of all time, or at least in the top three.  Its quite sad that you need this pointing out, and even sadder you defend someone like McDonnell. 

Definitely aristocracy, son of the Lord Randolph Churchill and grandson of the 7th Duke of Marlborough. I would have thought anyone who upholds the right of free speech would defend McDonnell.

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16 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

 

 

Can you explain to me why in 2019 we should still be trying to protect our 'elders and betters', the aristocracy and the monarchy? Haven't we been bowing and scraping and tugging our forelocks long enough?

 

Perhaps it's because in 2019 most of us don't object to having a monarchy and aristocracy, as long as they don't have the power to issue orders. 

 

In society today its those inverted snobs that look down on anyone who has less,  that should bother us. 

 

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4 hours ago, alchresearch said:

and even sadder you defend someone like McDonnell. 

It all depends on your point of view.

 

Tory politician vs someone standing up for striking miners. No contest! 😀

 

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Interesting to read this from the International Churchill Society about the reason for troops.  More to do with looters than innocent strikers.
 

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In 1911, a strike began in the coal mines at Rhondda in early November of the same year. It arose out of a dispute concerning wage differentials in the working of hard and soft seams. Many men were involved, estimates varying between 25,000 and 30,000, and many different pits were affected.

 

There was looting and the local authorities appealed to the War Office for troops. On hearing of this, Churchill as Home Secretary consulted the Secretary of War, Haldane, and they agreed instead to send police, but to hold some troops in reserve near by.


Churchill’s whole conduct in the matter has since been grotesquely distorted, and it has become a part of socialist demonology that Churchill sent troops who fired upon the miners of Tonypandy. Socialist propagandists have sought to make martyrs of the miners of Tonypandy comparable to those of Tolpuddle in 1834.

https://winstonchurchill.org/resources/myths/striking-welsh-coal-miners/

 

And a BBC link:

 

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Troops were sent onto the streets to control striking miners who wrecked town centre shops and mine-owners' property.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26601738

 

Please explain how looting and smashing up shops and houses has anything to do with striking?

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