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And that's what got them the success they had.

indeed, but it also dilutes the political system and we end up with less choice, its all the same. The good thing about now is there is a difference, proper left vs right.

But in the current climate Left dont have a cat in hells chance of getting in.

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indeed, but it also dilutes the political system and we end up with less choice, its all the same. The good thing about now is there is a difference, proper left vs right.

But in the current climate Left dont have a cat in hells chance of getting in.

 

Whatever happened to Scargill and Socialist Labour? That was supposed to be the antidote to Blair's Labour?

 

Their failure to attract Labour voters and their continued decline says to me that although people were sick of the Tories of the 90s, they didn't want Labour either.

 

We seem to be going back in that direction - a hard right Tory mob, and a very left wing Labour party.

 

Perhaps the people don't want proper left and right, but they don't want the Lib Dems either. Its like they want to be in the middle, but with just a foot in the left or right camps.

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Whatever happened to Scargill and Socialist Labour? That was supposed to be the antidote to Blair's Labour?

 

Their failure to attract Labour voters and their continued decline says to me that although people were sick of the Tories of the 90s, they didn't want Labour either.

 

We seem to be going back in that direction - a hard right Tory mob, and a very left wing Labour party.

 

Perhaps the people don't want proper left and right, but they don't want the Lib Dems either. Its like they want to be in the middle, but with just a foot in the left or right camps.

When times are good I think you're probably right. But since the crash (and so called 'austerity' things have changed.

 

There have been too many iniquitous cuts, that mainly affect the already poor and have been a disaster for others, resulting in homelessness, foodbanks, the disabled being penalised etc. Wages for many have stagnated or dropped and costs have gone up so more people are struggling and being sucked down to the poorer end of the scale. Meanwhile the wealthy have been protected, and some, especially the already seriously rich (who already have more than they need) have benefitted and become a lot richer. In normal times nobody would care much, but the sheer unfairness of it has become stark and people resent it.

 

This imbalance between both ends of society needs to be rectified to what it was, and it seems only the current Labour party are prepared to do it.

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Why are most Labour supporters pleading penury, whilst the rest of us appear to be moderately content with our respective lots? I was recently talking to a couple of Corbyn groupies, who stated that all supermarket goods had increased greatly in price under the Tories. I decided to test them, they hadn’t got a clue how much anything was then and is now, however they do live in a Grade 2, William 4th grace and favour, Peak Park National Trust property, that they view as their right. :confused:

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When times are good I think you're probably right. But since the crash (and so called 'austerity' things have changed.

 

There have been too many iniquitous cuts, that mainly affect the already poor and have been a disaster for others, resulting in homelessness, foodbanks, the disabled being penalised etc. Wages for many have stagnated or dropped and costs have gone up so more people are struggling and being sucked down to the poorer end of the scale. Meanwhile the wealthy have been protected, and some, especially the already seriously rich (who already have more than they need) have benefitted and become a lot richer. In normal times nobody would care much, but the sheer unfairness of it has become stark and people resent it.

 

This imbalance between both ends of society needs to be rectified to what it was, and it seems only the current Labour party are prepared to do it.

 

Anna , I admire your dedication but how would they do it ?

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When times are good I think you're probably right. But since the crash (and so called 'austerity' things have changed.

 

There have been too many iniquitous cuts, that mainly affect the already poor and have been a disaster for others, resulting in homelessness, foodbanks, the disabled being penalised etc. Wages for many have stagnated or dropped and costs have gone up so more people are struggling and being sucked down to the poorer end of the scale. Meanwhile the wealthy have been protected, and some, especially the already seriously rich (who already have more than they need) have benefitted and become a lot richer. In normal times nobody would care much, but the sheer unfairness of it has become stark and people resent it.

 

This imbalance between both ends of society needs to be rectified to what it was, and it seems only the current Labour party are prepared to do it.

 

The thing is that many of these things were prevalent under Labour too. Its not a sudden post-2010 invention.

 

Perhaps its because its been such a very long time since a prosperous Labour period (long before Brown and the Bush-Blair wars), people are looking back with rose tinted specs?

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Perhaps its because its been such a very long time since a prosperous Labour period (long before Brown and the Bush-Blair wars), people are looking back with rose tinted specs?

 

OK when were we in a "prospering" Labour period that didn't end in a huge crash and massive inflation or other economic woes?

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The problem with the government is how we constantly ping pong from left to right, so we never reach a functional middle ground. This is sadly the nature of first past the post politics.

 

That said, the current Labour Party are left of center not far left as the media like to portray. So they do stand a chance of improving things, if people vote them in and keep them there long enough to actually do it.

 

The trouble is the past has shown that if they do, eventually the right will get voted in again and repeat the same problems.

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Anna , I admire your dedication but how would they do it ?

 

They could start by getting the seriously rich / Corporations etc to pay their fair share of taxes properly. That alone would fund it - if they can collect it.

Unfortunately when dealing with the rich and powerful, they have systematically rigged the system in their favour, and none of the current government has the will to change it.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot

Jeremy Corbyn has said he will make this a priority, and I believe he will.

 

He also wants to start a National Investment Bank. (Quantatitive easing for the people.) Cutting out the middle man (the Banks) scares the **** out of them. It doesn't fit into their agenda at all, they would lose their stranglehold, but sound economic minds think it would work. Read this: ,

http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/corbyns-investment-bank-a-step-towards-a-rational-fiscal-policy

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They could start by getting the seriously rich / Corporations etc to pay their fair share of taxes properly.

 

Ah we are back onto the nebulous rich then...

 

How much in tax do you think they pay? How much do you think they earn?

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There is nothing nebulous about the 1% rich who will own two thirds of the world's wealth by 2030.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/07/global-inequality-tipping-point-2030

 

Ah we are back onto the nebulous rich then...

 

How much in tax do you think they pay? How much do you think they earn?

 

How much of the UK is in that 1%. It'd surprise you.... Want to make a guess what I make and where my taxes go?

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