The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Pettytom 1]

32 minutes ago, makapaka said:

 

Which kids - and what is keir starmer forcing the governments hand on?

There is no way that secondary schools can accommodate 1200 students all at once,  given the current infection rate and consequent need for social distancing. It really is simple, schools are not safe to open fully yet

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33 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Yes - but you shouldn’t subsequently criticise a decision or action taken if you have no alternative to propose.

Don't forget the government have the whole of the government machinery behind it to help it make policies, the opposition don't. Unless you're going to give the opposition parties the same access to resources and information that the government has, and that includes all government consideration of potential policies because of the way that can effect decisions, they are not operating on a level playing field. An opposition proposing things would be open to be criticised for not taking account of some information the government had but they didn't.

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2 hours ago, makapaka said:

Yes - but you shouldn’t subsequently criticise a decision or action taken if you have no alternative to propose.

 

That will doubtless be Johnson’s response for the next year or two whenever he is held to task,but there is no need at all for Labour to firm up any policies for the time being.

The next GE is some way off and circumstances will be very different at that time.

At the moment Starmer is quite right to highlight Government deficiencies in the hope that lessons have been learned before a second wave happens or a further pandemic or U.K. epidemic occurs.

This Government has the majority to pursue its policies and will stand or fall relative to its performance.

Thats politics.

 

 

[alchresearch 214]

Wrong-Daily finally deletes the tweet that got her sacked.

 

I wonder why the Guardian hasn't reported this?

[banjodeano 31]

1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

Wrong-Daily finally deletes the tweet that got her sacked.

 

I wonder why the Guardian hasn't reported this?

Were they antisemitic?

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3 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Wrong-Daily finally deletes the tweet that got her sacked.

 

I wonder why the Guardian hasn't reported this?

Apart from a few resolutely anti Labour papers (who'd report absolutely anything if it could be twisted to show Labour in a bad light) and one local to her constituency has any publication of note reported it?

 

Is it actually newsworthy?

[Michael_W 11]

On 29/06/2020 at 00:14, makapaka said:

Of course it is. It’s also important he has a substantiated alternative where he disagrees with an approach by the government.

he hammered the government about kids going back to school safely - then asked why they they weren’t.

 

Opposition isn’t just about opposing - it’s about proposing alternatives.

 

Starmer the charmer won't upset the teaching unions, many of the Labourite members are quite happy to stay at home on full pay having 6 months holiday instead of their usual 3, had they been on furlough or threatened with losing their jobs they would probably have been more co-operative !

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1 hour ago, Michael_W said:

Starmer the charmer won't upset the teaching unions, many of the Labourite members are quite happy to stay at home on full pay having 6 months holiday instead of their usual 3, had they been on furlough or threatened with losing their jobs they would probably have been more co-operative !

You have a horribly cynical attitude to teachers Michael; having worked in schools for the best part of a decade I know plenty of them.

Without exception, those that I know have been working as hard as they can, whether from home trying to carry on with distance learning, or those that have stayed in school working with keyworker kids. They worry, they care deeply about the children they work with and the last few months have been anything other than the easy time of it you're suggesting.

[Pettytom 1]

2 hours ago, Michael_W said:

Starmer the charmer won't upset the teaching unions, many of the Labourite members are quite happy to stay at home on full pay having 6 months holiday instead of their usual 3, had they been on furlough or threatened with losing their jobs they would probably have been more co-operative !

Except for the fact that teachers are still working.

[andyofborg 11]

On 29/06/2020 at 14:23, makapaka said:

Yes - but you shouldn’t subsequently criticise a decision or action taken if you have no alternative to propose.

 

if the decision or action is clearly wrong then having an alternative isn't necessary and the role of PMQs isn't to do that. There are plenty of other ways of affecting policy and making suggestions. 

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1 minute ago, andyofborg said:

if the decision or action is clearly wrong then having an alternative isn't necessary and the role of PMQs isn't to do that. There are plenty of other ways of affecting policy and making suggestions. 

it isn’t just questions on PMQs though is it - they also challenge the answers.
 

The point I’m making about starmer in that instance was that he loses credibility if he challenges the governments response - and when they act in line with the alternative he proposes then challenges that also. 

[Arnold_Lane 0]

32 minutes ago, makapaka said:

it isn’t just questions on PMQs though is it - they also challenge the answers.
 

The point I’m making about starmer in that instance was that he loses credibility if he challenges the governments response - and when they act in line with the alternative he proposes then challenges that also. 

I understand what you are saying.  It's easy to criticise.