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13 hours ago, Anna B said:

Maybe you've forgotten that membership of the Labour party surged during Corbyn's leadership,  making it the biggest political party in Europe, and galvanizing politics with more interest than ever before.

Maybe you've forgotten that "the biggest political party in Europe" suffered the biggest defeat by a Labour party for how many decades????

Maybe you've forgotten that Corbyn "galvanised politics with more interest than ever before" so much that voters forgot to vote for the party, just couldn't be bothered in the election or created so much negative interest in the party's policies that they refused to vote for Corbyn. Take your pick

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On 26/06/2020 at 12:26, alchresearch said:

Yes, centre left have took notice and starting to drift back now that the Corbynites are being purged. 

 

For years, Corbyn's followers have called us "Blairites" and that we're not welcome in Labour.  How ironic to see the boot on the other foot.  You had your time running the party.  It didn't work, so its time for you to go and let someone else take a different direction.  England isn't as left wing as you like to think it is.

 

Its quite funny to see the fallout  and people claiming to have quit them membershup using the same old photo of a cut up card and talk of defecting to this party:

 

https://workerspartybritain.org/

 

Cry and threaten to leave, or actually leave.  We don't care.  For each Corbynite that goes, a "Blairite" as you call us, will return.  We've been patiently sat waiting.

 

Even more interesting to see Diane Abbot on Twitter sharing a petition to reinstate  Long-Bailey but refusing to comment on it.  How long has she got left? Hopefully days.

 

 

It didnt work? the party under Corbyn was never given a chance, the back stabbing Blairites planned from day one to undermine Corbyn, do you honestly think that the Blairites gave the party a chance? 

The evidence was there for all to see in the leaked report that Starmer has tried to sweep under the carpet, top labour party leaders deliberately plotted to make the party unelectable,  how come none of the people involved in the report were suspended as is the usual case under such circumstances, sadly Corbyn was never given a chance, i think he had quite a lot to offer to be honest...

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39 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

It didnt work? the party under Corbyn was never given a chance, the back stabbing Blairites planned from day one to undermine Corbyn, do you honestly think that the Blairites gave the party a chance? 

The evidence was there for all to see in the leaked report that Starmer has tried to sweep under the carpet, top labour party leaders deliberately plotted to make the party unelectable,  how come none of the people involved in the report were suspended as is the usual case under such circumstances, sadly Corbyn was never given a chance, i think he had quite a lot to offer to be honest...

They clearly did banjo.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html

 

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The saying "what goes around comes around " comes to mind Corbyn repeatedly defied the labour whip and worked against the labour government.

 

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45 minutes ago, Thorpist said:

The saying "what goes around comes around " comes to mind Corbyn repeatedly defied the labour whip and worked against the labour government.

 

Corbyn never ever went out of his way to make his own party unelectable, he went out of his way to change what he didnt agree with withing the party.., but never ever did he plot to make his own party unelectable, and gloat about it to his colleagues...

There is a vast difference between what the Blairites did and what you accuse Corbyn off.., did you ever read the report that has subsequently been covered up?

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43 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn never ever went out of his way to make his own party unelectable, he went out of his way to change what he didnt agree with withing the party.., but never ever did he plot to make his own party unelectable, and gloat about it to his colleagues...

There is a vast difference between what the Blairites did and what you accuse Corbyn off.., did you ever read the report that has subsequently been covered up?

Perhaps they understood that, despite your fantasies, the british electorate has comprehensively rejected any (in their opinion) excessively left wing party whenever thay have been given the opportunity to vote for one. Unless you accept that then you don't want to be part of a party of government but a protest group which will never, ever get an opportunity to do anything, 

 

It may have lost its way at times and perhaps could have been more daring with some things but by and large the new labour government achieved many things which benefited many people particularly those at the bottom of the pile. 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

Perhaps they understood that, despite your fantasies, the british electorate has comprehensively rejected any (in their opinion) excessively left wing party whenever thay have been given the opportunity to vote for one. Unless you accept that then you don't want to be part of a party of government but a protest group which will never, ever get an opportunity to do anything, 

 

It may have lost its way at times and perhaps could have been more daring with some things but by and large the new labour government achieved many things which benefited many people particularly those at the bottom of the pile. 

 

 

 

 

What fantasies?

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6 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

Perhaps they understood that, despite your fantasies, the british electorate has comprehensively rejected any (in their opinion) excessively left wing party whenever thay have been given the opportunity to vote for one. Unless you accept that then you don't want to be part of a party of government but a protest group which will never, ever get an opportunity to do anything, 

 

It may have lost its way at times and perhaps could have been more daring with some things but by and large the new labour government achieved many things which benefited many people particularly those at the bottom of the pile. 

 

 

 

 

 

Its a shame Corbyn was never given a chance, i think some of his policies were quite good, although i would admit a peoples bank is quite left, but what a brilliant idea, all the profits go back into the country, not into a billionaires pocket, and wasnt he talking about taking over the stranglehold that pharmaceutical  companies have over us, making our own medicines? and nationalising our railways that are owned by foreign governments....

I will be the first to admit that he was never a natural born leader, but his policies were great for the working classes, its a shame they didnt see beyond the media head lines

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2 hours ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn never ever went out of his way to make his own party unelectable, he went out of his way to change what he didnt agree with withing the party.., but never ever did he plot to make his own party unelectable, and gloat about it to his colleagues...

There is a vast difference between what the Blairites did and what you accuse Corbyn off.., did you ever read the report that has subsequently been covered up?

Yup - the Blairites won 3 elections, invested in people - Sure Start, huge numbers of new schools, homeless services for example.

 

Remind me of Corbyn's achievements again - the nearest he got to the Tories was 55 seats less in 2017.

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19 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Yup - the Blairites won 3 elections, invested in people - Sure Start, huge numbers of new schools, homeless services for example.

 

Remind me of Corbyn's achievements again - the nearest he got to the Tories was 55 seats less in 2017.

They went along with deregulating the system, when it all went tits up they got hammered.

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32 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Yup - the Blairites won 3 elections, invested in people - Sure Start, huge numbers of new schools, homeless services for example.

 

Remind me of Corbyn's achievements again - the nearest he got to the Tories was 55 seats less in 2017.

Corbyn was never elected....and you can thank the back stabbing Blairites for that, undermining him and making sure the party was never  electable, whats your views on that? what do you think about top labour party members actively making sure the party wasnt electable?.....and now they have the audacity to say that we need to unite...lol

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21 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Corbyn was never elected....and you can thank the back stabbing Blairites for that, undermining him and making sure the party was never  electable, whats your views on that? what do you think about top labour party members actively making sure the party wasnt electable?.....and now they have the audacity to say that we need to unite...lol

The Corbynistas made Labour unelectable - simple as. He was never electable during his "honeymoon" period - ie the 2017 election when Labour trailed the Tories by 55 seats - the longer he was leader the more he was rejected by the electorate. He was a half decent leader of a protest group - never in a million years a Prime Minister.

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