The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[alchresearch 215]

20 hours ago, Arnold_Lane said:

Rebecca Long Bailey has been sacked.

 

Will anyone notice a difference?

Yes, centre left have took notice and starting to drift back now that the Corbynites are being purged. 

 

For years, Corbyn's followers have called us "Blairites" and that we're not welcome in Labour.  How ironic to see the boot on the other foot.  You had your time running the party.  It didn't work, so its time for you to go and let someone else take a different direction.  England isn't as left wing as you like to think it is.

 

Its quite funny to see the fallout  and people claiming to have quit them membershup using the same old photo of a cut up card and talk of defecting to this party:

 

https://workerspartybritain.org/

 

Cry and threaten to leave, or actually leave.  We don't care.  For each Corbynite that goes, a "Blairite" as you call us, will return.  We've been patiently sat waiting.

 

Even more interesting to see Diane Abbot on Twitter sharing a petition to reinstate  Long-Bailey but refusing to comment on it.  How long has she got left? Hopefully days.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by alchresearch

[melthebell 864]

47 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

Yes, centre left have took notice and starting to drift back now that the Corbynites are being purged. 

 

For years, Corbyn's followers have called us "Blairites" and that we're not welcome in Labour.  How ironic to see the boot on the other foot.  You had your time running the party.  It didn't work, so its time for you to go and let someone else take a different direction.  England isn't as left wing as you like to think it is.

 

Its quite funny to see the fallout  and people claiming to have quit them membershup using the same old photo of a cut up card and talk of defecting to this party:

 

https://workerspartybritain.org/

 

Cry and threaten to leave, or actually leave.  We don't care.  For each Corbynite that goes, a "Blairite" as you call us, will return.  We've been patiently sat waiting.

 

Even more interesting to see Diane Abbot on Twitter sharing a petition to reinstate  Long-Bailey but refusing to comment on it.  How long has she got left? Hopefully days.

 

 

yeah loads of my lefty "labour" mates are currently spitting feathers on facebook lol

[alchresearch 215]

Sadly, since the rise of Blair, Labour isn't and cannot be the party for all people.  You please one group, you alienate another.

 

Its kind of a repeat of when the old left didn't like the way Blair took the party after the death of John Smith, and they stormed off to form socialist Labour.  
 

Perhaps that's the way Labour are now destined to be, but instead of flipping from power to opposition to power and so on, they just flip from left-opposition, to centre left-opposition and so on.

[sheffbag 230]

1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

Sadly, since the rise of Blair, Labour isn't and cannot be the party for all people.  You please one group, you alienate another.

 

Its kind of a repeat of when the old left didn't like the way Blair took the party after the death of John Smith, and they stormed off to form socialist Labour.  
 

Perhaps that's the way Labour are now destined to be, but instead of flipping from power to opposition to power and so on, they just flip from left-opposition, to centre left-opposition and so on.

But they havent been flipping from power to opposition. The last 50 years have proved that the country rejects the kind of Labour promoted by the likes of Kinnock, Foot, Corbyn to massive losses but it does accept the kind of Labour that Blair promoted. 

Maybe he was right time right place with "Cool Britainnia" as opposition to the previous government. but the results dont lie.

 

Starmer is the best chance Labour have of being able to influence the country by being in power.

[ECCOnoob 1,050]

2 hours ago, sheffbag said:

But they havent been flipping from power to opposition. The last 50 years have proved that the country rejects the kind of Labour promoted by the likes of Kinnock, Foot, Corbyn to massive losses but it does accept the kind of Labour that Blair promoted. 

Maybe he was right time right place with "Cool Britainnia" as opposition to the previous government. but the results dont lie.

 

Starmer is the best chance Labour have of being able to influence the country by being in power.

I would wholly agree.

 

Despite what the momentum campaigners and deluded corbynist disciples like to claim I don't think there is anywhere near the level of support in the wider electorate that they think there is.

 

Any fool can preach to the converted in that's exactly what they did.  As soon as they had to to come down on something that might upset the core support even if it was for the benefit of winning over the wider electorate they failed.  They wedged themselves firmly on the fence and nobody knew what they stood for.

 

They just kept on failing and when they did they became more and more entrenched in their philosophy that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

 

If Starmer a was in charge during the election we could have had a completely different result.  Probably not to win but certainly a good chance at getting a hung parliament.   Corbyn and his proteges were simply too toxic, too polarising.

 

Let's be blunt he didn't really want the job in the first place. 

[Mister Gee 824]

1 hour ago, ECCOnoob said:

I would wholly agree.

 

Despite what the momentum campaigners and deluded corbynist disciples like to claim I don't think there is anywhere near the level of support in the wider electorate that they think there is.

 

Any fool can preach to the converted in that's exactly what they did.  As soon as they had to to come down on something that might upset the core support even if it was for the benefit of winning over the wider electorate they failed.  They wedged themselves firmly on the fence and nobody knew what they stood for.

 

They just kept on failing and when they did they became more and more entrenched in their philosophy that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

 

If Starmer a was in charge during the election we could have had a completely different result.  Probably not to win but certainly a good chance at getting a hung parliament.   Corbyn and his proteges were simply too toxic, too polarising.

 

Let's be blunt he didn't really want the job in the first place. 

Didn’t Corbyn do that in 2017?

[Anna B 1,414]

10 hours ago, alchresearch said:

Yes, centre left have took notice and starting to drift back now that the Corbynites are being purged. 

 

For years, Corbyn's followers have called us "Blairites" and that we're not welcome in Labour.  How ironic to see the boot on the other foot.  You had your time running the party.  It didn't work, so its time for you to go and let someone else take a different direction.  England isn't as left wing as you like to think it is.

 

Its quite funny to see the fallout  and people claiming to have quit them membershup using the same old photo of a cut up card and talk of defecting to this party:

 

https://workerspartybritain.org/

 

Cry and threaten to leave, or actually leave.  We don't care.  For each Corbynite that goes, a "Blairite" as you call us, will return.  We've been patiently sat waiting.

 

Even more interesting to see Diane Abbot on Twitter sharing a petition to reinstate  Long-Bailey but refusing to comment on it.  How long has she got left? Hopefully days.

 

 

Maybe you've forgotten that membership of the Labour party surged during Corbyn's leadership,  making it the biggest political party in Europe, and galvanizing politics with more interest than ever before.

[ECCOnoob 1,050]

12 hours ago, Anna B said:

Maybe you've forgotten that membership of the Labour party surged during Corbyn's leadership,  making it the biggest political party in Europe, and galvanizing politics with more interest than ever before

 what good did that "surge" in membership do for them....  yes of course they strode into power and smashed the election........ oh wait

Edited June 27, 2020 by ECCOnoob

[melthebell 864]

37 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Maybe you've forgotten that membership of the Labour party surged during Corbyn's leadership,  making it the biggest political party in Europe, and galvanizing politics with more interest than ever before.

That's the point, your fooling yourselves.  it might be big support but to win an election in the whole of the UK, it's tiny. You need to attract millions more of the electorate, sadly they don't seem to be interested in left wing politics mostly

[Fudbeer 12]

Corbyn totally lost touch with traditional labour voters particularly in the north where they just did not connect with him at all as was shown with the disastrous election result.

 

People like Long Bailey who gave him 10 out of 10 are similarly out of touch.

[whiteowl 54]

Agree with what a lot of people have said above. To win an election, you have to appeal to a greater number of people than your core believers. The Conservatives did it last time, piggy backing on the Brexit situation to win a lot of traditional Labour seats. Corbyn (and Momentum behind him) had a lot of policies that were admirable to some, but quite a lot were not palatable to a significant amount of people which cost them.

 

In my opinion (rightly or wrongly), the UK these days is a fairly centrist (possibly centre-right) country and to have any chance of power you have to appeal to this. Blair recognised this and invented New Labour and won, Corbyn didn't and lost. Hopefully Kier Starmer will bring Labour out of the wilderness and present a reasonable alternative to the shower that are in power at the moment.

Edited June 26, 2020 by whiteowl
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[Fudbeer 12]

10 hours ago, whiteowl said:

Agree with what a lot of people have said above. To win an election, you have to appeal to a greater number of people than your core believers. The Conservatives did it last time, piggy backing on the Brexit situation to win a lot of traditional Labour seats. Corbyn (and Momentum behind him) had a lot of policies that were admirable to some, but quite a lot were not palatable to a significant amount of people which cost them.

 

In my opinion (rightly or wrongly), the UK these days is a fairly centrist (possibly centre-right) country and to have any chance of power you have to appeal to this. Blair recognised this and invented New Labour and won, Corbyn didn't and lost. Hopefully Kier Starmer will bring Labour out of the wilderness and present a reasonable alternative to the shower that are in power at the moment.

This.He may connect with a few particularly in London but when it comes to your traditional "working class" northern Labour voters they felt let down and thats who he needs to win back.

Just now, Fudbeer said:

 

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by Fudbeer