The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Baron99 801]

Regarding the Cummings affair / fiasco & a number of calls from certain Labour MP's for him to be Sacked. 

 

Have you cleared this with your leader? 

 

If I was Starmer, I'd want Cummings to remain where he was as he'd be a useful stick to occasionally bring out to beat the PM with. 

[alchresearch 215]

Labour aren't so squeaky clean.  Stephen Kinnoch, Tahir Ali, Kevan Jones, all broke lockdown rules for non essential distance travel.

 

Lisa Nandy didn't help by defending those above while criticising Cummings.

[ECCOnoob 1,050]

Let's not forget this dithery old pensioner flouting the rules.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11726016/jeremy-corbyn-not-social-distancing-birthday-snap/

 

I look forward to seeing the press hounding him outside the front door and Piers Morgan spitting venom all over Twitter and morons waving placards as he walks down the street and the house demanding he resign immediately and his leader publicly condemning him for his actions.......  Wishful thinking though.   

Edited May 28, 2020 by ECCOnoob

[Baron99 801]

3 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

Let's not forget this dithery old pensioner flouting the rules.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11726016/jeremy-corbyn-not-social-distancing-birthday-snap/

 

I look forward to seeing the press hounding him outside the front door and Piers Morgan spitting venom all over Twitter and morons waving placards as he walks down the street and the house demanding he resign immediately and his leader publicly condemning him for his actions.......  Wishful thinking though.   

I see that even Jeremy's t-shirt's are woke. 

[Baron99 801]

I hear Sir Keir was doing a virtual Q & A with the good folk of Doncaster today? 

 

I wonder if anyone asked him why he appears to be terminally embarrassed at any mention that he's a millionaire? 

 

He should be proud with his working class roots to have achieved so much.  Makes you wonder why he doesn't like people mentioning it? 

[Baron99 801]

5 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

Let me guess, he's a champagne socialist - am I right?

 

Guys, you're going to have to do better than this.  You're really struggling if that's all you can come up with.  Surely you can concoct a spurious antisemitism charge or something?

No Starmer should be chuffed that he's ended up millionaire from his humble working class background as a child of a nurse & a toolmaker, in that he's achieved so much. 

 

He should be out there, pointing out to the Labour supporters that if he can achieve so much with his lowly start in life, by knuckling down to some hard work, they could be looking at similar rewards in later life.

 

They could start out, just as he did by going to grammar school... Oh dear, the wheels have come off that plan already. 

[Flanker7 20]

On 28/05/2020 at 22:49, Baron99 said:

No Starmer should be chuffed that he's ended up millionaire from his humble working class background as a child of a nurse & a toolmaker, in that he's achieved so much. 

 

He should be out there, pointing out to the Labour supporters that if he can achieve so much with his lowly start in life, by knuckling down to some hard work, they could be looking at similar rewards in later life.

 

They could start out, just as he did by going to grammar school... Oh dear, the wheels have come off that plan already. 

".....his lowly start in life, by knuckling down to some hard work, they could be looking at similar rewards in later life."

 

oh please do give it a rest.  Perhaps some tugging of the forelock too.

[Pettytom 1]

On 28/05/2020 at 22:49, Baron99 said:

No Starmer should be chuffed that he's ended up millionaire from his humble working class background as a child of a nurse & a toolmaker, in that he's achieved so much. 

 

He should be out there, pointing out to the Labour supporters that if he can achieve so much with his lowly start in life, by knuckling down to some hard work, they could be looking at similar rewards in later life.

 

They could start out, just as he did by going to grammar school... Oh dear, the wheels have come off that plan already. 

Why would a grammar school make any difference?

 

 

[the_bloke 17]

On 30/05/2020 at 14:13, Pettytom said:

Why would a grammar school make any difference?

According to the party of which Kier is one of many grammar school educated leaders, grammar schools promote inequality and give pupils an unfair advantage in life. Therefore Labour wants to abolish grammar schools, presumably at the point all of the Labour MP's with children at these schools have left school.

 

It's astonishing hypocrisy for people who had advantages in life to remove those advantages after they themselves have reaped the rewards.

[the_bloke 17]

48 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

Labour doesn't want to abolish grammar schools.  Like the Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP, they don't plan to open any new ones, but they're not proposing to abolish them.

 

Some Tories say they want to open new ones (and some don't), but they've never done anything about it.  The most they've done is to fund a few extra places in existing grammar schools.

 

Labour policy has always been that everybody needs a proper education, not just people who can get into a grammar school or whose parents can afford to send them to a private school.  It's not hypocritical to think that, even if you went to one of those schools yourself.

 

Keir Starmer's children go to their local state school, according to the Daily Mail.

 

There is indeed evidence that grammar schools do promote inequality - though I appreciate that of course all your children and grandchildren would get into one, same as for everybody else who advocates them, so that's OK.

 

And it's Keir, K-e-i-r.

 

Any more questions?

Ah yes, my mistake. Of course, Labour members voted to abolish private schools (of which K-e-i-r (Sir) went to one) at their party conference but it never made it to the manifesto.  It was back in the 90's they wanted to scrap grammar schools wasn't it.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-manifesto-private-schools-free-movement-immigration-tax-1318962

 

Keir seems keen to hide the fact he went to a fee paying school.

 

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/labour-leadership-qa-sir-keir-starmer/

 

You are obviously a big fan. Do you think he can overturn an 80 odd seat majority in 4 years time?

[Pettytom 1]

4 hours ago, the_bloke said:

According to the party of which Kier is one of many grammar school educated leaders, grammar schools promote inequality and give pupils an unfair advantage in life. Therefore Labour wants to abolish grammar schools, presumably at the point all of the Labour MP's with children at these schools have left school.

 

It's astonishing hypocrisy for people who had advantages in life to remove those advantages after they themselves have reaped the rewards.

There is plenty of research out there that shows that grammar schools do little, or nothing to promote social mobility.

 

I asked the question, because it was suggested that Starmer’s grammar school education had somehow bestowed privilege upon him. He and I both arrived at Leeds University in October 1982. Starmer via a grammar school, me via a comprehensive. Plenty of others arrived via the private schools.
 

So, the type of school we attended made no difference in this case. The fact that Starmer is leader of the Opposition and I’m arguing the toss with a random bloke on the internet has more to do with his tenacity and talent, than his schooling. 

[the_bloke 17]

40 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

There is plenty of research out there that shows that grammar schools do little, or nothing to promote social mobility.

 

I asked the question, because it was suggested that Starmer’s grammar school education had somehow bestowed privilege upon him. He and I both arrived at Leeds University in October 1982. Starmer via a grammar school, me via a comprehensive. Plenty of others arrived via the private schools.
 

So, the type of school we attended made no difference in this case. The fact that Starmer is leader of the Opposition and I’m arguing the toss with a random bloke on the internet has more to do with his tenacity and talent, than his schooling. 

With all due respect, you didn't go on to have a glittering career at the bar and are now a Sir. Or maybe you did.

 

It's documented that grammar schools have a better chance on increased social mobility and future earnings; https://fullfact.org/education/grammar-schools-and-social-mobility-whats-evidence/