The Labour Party. All discussion here please

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53 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Board of Députies  wants Sir Keir Starmer to withdraw the whip from two MPs, ( Dianne Abbott ) for taking part in an online Zoom conference in which two audience members were expelled members of the Labour Party.

 

Over to you Keir 😀

it seems lime the BOD are the actual ones in control of the party now, a bizare set up it has to be said

[Anna B 1,414]

Maybe it's time for the Labour party to split. The Labour MPs that undermined the general election can start their own party, or join the Lib Dems, like the Gang of Four did many years ago, and then the real Labour party 'for the many, not the few,' can get on with redressing the balance back towards the welfare of the people of this country, rather than the big Corporations and Ultra Capitalists.

[altus 540]

55 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Board of Députies  wants Sir Keir Starmer to withdraw the whip from two MPs, ( Dianne Abbott ) for taking part in an online Zoom conference in which two audience members were expelled members of the Labour Party.

 

Over to you Keir 😀

A bit of perspective from the Beeb's report:

The MPs said they were unaware expelled members might contribute and they would not share a platform with them.

Labour said the MPs were "reminded of their responsibilities" when spoken to "in the strongest possible terms".

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Those who contributed to the discussion at the meeting after the speeches were chosen by the event organisers without the agreement of the speakers, the group added.

A joint statement from a spokesman for Ms Abbott and Ms Ribeiro-Addy said: "The MPs were not aware that any suspended or expelled former members of the Labour Party might contribute as audience members.

 

6 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Maybe it's time for the Labour party to split. The Labour MPs that undermined the general election can start their own party, or join the Lib Dems, like the Gang of Four did many years ago, and then the real Labour party 'for the many, not the few,' can get on with redressing the balance back towards the welfare of the people of this country, rather than the big Corporations and Ultra Capitalists.

It wasn't the right of the party that kept Thatcher in power for so long and it wasn't the right of the party that lost last the election. The general population have shown time and again that they don't want a left wing Labour government. What you are suggesting would mean permanent Tory rule.

[El Cid 219]

16 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Maybe it's time for the Labour party to split. The Labour MPs that undermined the general election can start their own party, or join the Lib Dems, like the Gang of Four did many years ago, and then the real Labour party 'for the many, not the few,' can get on with redressing the balance back towards the welfare of the people of this country, rather than the big Corporations and Ultra Capitalists.

I dont care what splits take place, so long as I have a chance to vote for 2/3 candidates that have a chance of forming a Government.  At the moment we are a one party state.

[Ridgewalk 99]

1 hour ago, altus said:

A bit of perspective from the Beeb's report:

 

 

It wasn't the right of the party that kept Thatcher in power for so long and it wasn't the right of the party that lost last the election. The general population have shown time and again that they don't want a left wing Labour government. What you are suggesting would mean permanent Tory rule.

Wasn’t it Margaret Thatcher who said that her «  greatest invention was New Labour « 

 

Looks like new New Labour is in hoc to the British Board of Deputies

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by Ridgewalk
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3 minutes ago, Ridgewalk said:

Looks like new New Labour is in hoc to the British Board of Deputies

You probably ought to wait until they expel someone at their insistence before claiming that.

2 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

What kept Thatcher in power for so long was the moderate vote being split between Labour and the SDP/Liberals/Lib Dems for 15 years.

That's an argument for Labour being a moderate party to attract the moderate voters. You can't expect moderate voters to vote for an extreme left party.

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13 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

Even under Corbyn Labour wasn't an extreme left party.  The Tories are an extreme right party:

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019

Corbyn certainly isn't a moderate. He did demonstrate his almost complete lack of leadership skills over the previous parliament which didn't help Labour's chances of winning either.

 

I'm not sure why you feel the need to indulge in whataboutism about the Tories, it doesn't counteract criticism of Labour. In any case, I've never been a fan of the Tories, least of all their current incarnation, so you're preaching to the choir as far as that's concerned.

[Michael_W 11]

On 02/05/2020 at 19:18, CaptainSwing said:

"Moderate" and "centrist" are pure propaganda terms, designed to evoke positive feelings towards the parties with which they're labelled, and bearing absolutely no relation to any political reality.

Not bad for someone who describes the Tories as 'Extreme right', seriously ..... that's much more like what most would consider to be 'propaganda terms'.

[Michael_W 11]

18 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

Like I say, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

In any case, the Tories are 'extreme right'.  On a scale from -10 (ultra-left) to +10 (ultra-right), the Tories come in at +9.5:

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019

Your not taking into consideration the 'agenda' created by the leftist algorithm !

On your first point I couldn't agree more, that applies in every political direction.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Michael_W

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On 06/05/2020 at 17:56, CaptainSwing said:

Like I say, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

In any case, the Tories are 'extreme right'.  On a scale from -10 (ultra-left) to +10 (ultra-right), the Tories come in at +9.5:

 

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019

What sort of scale do they use? 

 

BoJo's Tories fall a long way short of the Nazis.

[alchresearch 214]

On 02/05/2020 at 16:45, Anna B said:

Maybe it's time for the Labour party to split. The Labour MPs that undermined the general election can start their own party, or join the Lib Dems, like the Gang of Four did many years ago, and then the real Labour party 'for the many, not the few,' can get on with redressing the balance back towards the welfare of the people of this country, rather than the big Corporations and Ultra Capitalists.

You mean like they did in 1996 with Socialist Labour?  Remind me again how that turned out!

 

You talk of Labour MPs who should leave and join the Lib Dems.  What if they were the majority and its the minority of Corbyn worshippers who need to leave?

 

https://www.socialist-labour-party.org.uk/

Edited May 20, 2020 by alchresearch

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On 20/05/2020 at 12:54, alchresearch said:

You talk of Labour MPs who should leave and join the Lib Dems.  What if they were the majority and its the minority of Corbyn worshippers who need to leave?

Spot on.