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[altus 537]

5 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

so you are unable or willing to answer my question then?

dont you have any views on it? go on, have a go, what do you think?

i have read the link, and to be honest there is hardly anything in it, just people making comments with an axe to grind...

now have a read of this  link.......

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/fifty-times-jeremy-corbyn-stood-with-jewish-people/

 

It reads:

• Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
• EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
• EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
• EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
• EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
• EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
• 11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
• EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
• EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
• EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
• 2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
• EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
• EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
• EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
• EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
• EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
• EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
• EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
• EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
• EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
• EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
• EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
• EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
• EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
• EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
• EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
• EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
• EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
• EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
• EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
• EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
• EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
• EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
• EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
• EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
• EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
• EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
• EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
• EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
• EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
• EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
• EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
• 1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
• EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
• EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
• Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
• 18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
• 9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
• 3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
• In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party

and starmer has done more in four days?

hahhahahaaaa

Had you not been so determined to avoid reading the articles you'd have seen that the claim was that Starmer had done more in for days than Corbyn did in four years. As it is you've just made yourself look foolish by posting an almost entirely irrelevant list.

 

The issue is neither 'Is Jeremy Corbyn and antisemite?' nor 'Has Jeremy Corbyn ever protested against antisemitism at all in his life?' The issue is 'Were the actions of Jeremy Corbyn whilst leader of the Labour party effective at combating antisemitism in the party?' The answer is manifestly no and that's a failure of his leadership.

[banjodeano 31]

5 minutes ago, altus said:

Had you not been so determined to avoid reading the articles you'd have seen that the claim was that Starmer had done more in for days than Corbyn did in four years. As it is you've just made yourself look foolish by posting an almost entirely irrelevant list.

 

The issue is neither 'Is Jeremy Corbyn and antisemite?' nor 'Has Jeremy Corbyn ever protested against antisemitism at all in his life?' The issue is 'Were the actions of Jeremy Corbyn whilst leader of the Labour party effective at combating antisemitism in the party?' The answer is manifestly no and that's a failure of his leadership.

I am fully aware what the claim was i read it in full, i just wanted to show you Corbyn's history in his fight against antisemitism, he has just been fighting it four years, he has been fighting it all his life..

So what are your views? or are you still afraid to answer?

you seem rather scared to say what your views are, come on old chap, dont be a coward...

[altus 537]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

I am fully aware what the claim was i read it in full, i just wanted to show you Corbyn's history in his fight against antisemitism, he has just been fighting it four years, he has been fighting it all his life..

So what are your views? or are you still afraid to answer?

you seem rather scared to say what your views are, come on old chap, dont be a coward...

I've already made it pretty clear - Jeremy Corbyn's poor leadership skills allowed antisemitism to flourish in the Labour Party.

[nikki-red 307]

There has been more than enough warnings on this and other threads about bickering and personal comments.
If you can't have a discussion without resorting to this then please don't post at  all.

[banjodeano 31]

2 minutes ago, altus said:

I've already made it pretty clear - Jeremy Corbyn's poor leadership skills allowed antisemitism to flourish in the Labour Party.

i disagree with you on that, it has not flourished at all, i wouldnt call .08% as flourished, the figures dont back it up, as i have stated many times the whole antisemitsm nonsense has just been used as a tool against Corbyn,  Corbyn has been against racism all his life, why would he let antisemitsm flourish? sorry but it doesnt add up, its all just nonsense for the mindless sheep to soak up, and why do some jewish groups actually support Corbyn?

[ECCOnoob 1,020]

11 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

I am fully aware what the claim was i read it in full, i just wanted to show you Corbyn's history in his fight against antisemitism, he has just been fighting it four years, he has been fighting it all his life..

So what are your views? or are you still afraid to answer?

you seem rather scared to say what your views are, come on old chap, dont be a coward...

A bullet point list produced on a blog site on behalf of the dubious and controversial JVL fringe group is hardly hard evidence of his efforts is it.  Neither is there any effort in signing a few generic and meaningless motions and making a few public statements against the opposition party.

 

I would also add that  JVL attracted criticism from the Board of Deputies of British Jews, the Jewish leadership council and Momentum itself.  

 

Not exactly the best source to be using to debate this issue. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by ECCOnoob

[banjodeano 31]

9 minutes ago, altus said:

I've already made it pretty clear - Jeremy Corbyn's poor leadership skills allowed antisemitism to flourish in the Labour Party.

.08% is hardly flourishing?  sorry but the numbers dont back up your claim, Corbyn has fought racism all his life, why would he   change now, and why do some Jewish groups actually support Corbyn?

[melthebell 862]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

its asking  me to pay some money...and that isnt going to happen..

so what do you think then?

really? i read it and it never asked me to pay money, and i never have paid money to them

[banjodeano 31]

4 minutes ago, melthebell said:

really? i read it and it never asked me to pay money, and i never have paid money to them

yeah, it says to continue reading  join us for free for the first month, and then  just £2 a week after your first month,  and START YOUR FREE TRIAL HERE....i guess they must now i'm a socialist and want to screw me lol

[despritdan 241]

Getting back to Diane Abbott, the reason she's so hated is because of her many racist remarks about white people going back over many years. This is just one of many:

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12029702.abbott-denies-attack-on-nurses-was-racist/

[Mister Gee 812]

25 minutes ago, despritdan said:

Getting back to Diane Abbott, the reason she's so hated is because of her many racist remarks about white people going back over many years. This is just one of many:

 

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12029702.abbott-denies-attack-on-nurses-was-racist/

That link certainly is.

[banjodeano 31]

This might be of interest if the link works and anyone is bothered...it is the labour party report that they now want to withhold

 

https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/93060879_3535742979774800_3317814660807262208_n.pdf/200329-Labour-Report-Final.pdf?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=0cab14&_nc_ohc=ITM7LE_kchEAX-qXFCC&_nc_ht=cdn.fbsbx.com&oh=27a72d103ed243d91fbb285a2836fe8e&oe=5E94A60C&dl=1&fbclid=IwAR3DnsX-1oYCHm_qFv7DLCkBDmkqH3QtDmzbm0BxnREvrVIXKX9Uf5f35lM

Edited April 12, 2020 by banjodeano