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4 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Because it would have been futile - Blair had won two general elections and the only remotely credible candidate was Brown.

 

Corbyn meanwhile was viewed as going nowhere fast and likely to end in disaster.

viewed as going nowhere by the right wingers in the party who sowed  nothing but division from day one, do you think they actually gave him a chance? come on.... did they actually give him a chance?  thats a serious question for you Longcol

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1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

viewed as going nowhere by the right wingers in the party who sowed  nothing but division from day one, do you think they actually gave him a chance? come on.... did they actually give him a chance?  thats a serious question for you Longcol

Forgive me if I butt in, but a lot of them did. Moreover, the tories were hugely divided as well. And they won.

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1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

viewed as going nowhere by the right wingers in the party who sowed  nothing but division from day one, do you think they actually gave him a chance? come on.... did they actually give him a chance?  thats a serious question for you Longcol

He was given every chance and had tight control over the party - hence the disastrous manifesto.

 

Look where it led.

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1 minute ago, Longcol said:

He was given every chance and had tight control over the party - hence the disastrous manifesto.

 

Look where it led.

no he wasnt, Peter Mandelson admits attempting to undermine Corbyn ‘every day’, this was from day one, have another go Longcol....there were many like him in the party....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-admits-attempting-to-undermine-corbyn-every-day-video

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38 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

 

so i guess you will agree that Johnson wasnt democratically elected then? i mean it wasn't exactly a level playing field, what with the media nearly 100% behind him...

I agree 100% with that

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16 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

no he wasnt, Peter Mandelson admits attempting to undermine Corbyn ‘every day’, this was from day one, have another go Longcol....there were many like him in the party....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-admits-attempting-to-undermine-corbyn-every-day-video

How did Mandy prevent Corbyn's disastrous manifesto? How did he stop Corbyn appearing next to useless at Prime Ministers Question Time?

May would give Corbyn an open goal and he'd still put the ball in his own net.

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23 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

no he wasnt, Peter Mandelson admits attempting to undermine Corbyn ‘every day’, this was from day one, have another go Longcol....there were many like him in the party....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/feb/21/peter-mandelson-admits-attempting-to-undermine-corbyn-every-day-video


 

 

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10 hours ago, Longcol said:

How did Mandy prevent Corbyn's disastrous manifesto? How did he stop Corbyn appearing next to useless at Prime Ministers Question Time?

May would give Corbyn an open goal and he'd still put the ball in his own net.

but thats just your opinion,  his manifesto was quite progressive and was supported by a lot of the countries top economists, but hey dont let facts get in the way of a good argument,


https://www.ft.com/content/d29b4cbe-0fa4-11ea-a225-db2f231cfeae

Michael Jacobs, professor of political economy at Sheffield university, who co-ordinated the letter, said it had been surprisingly easy to find economists willing to sign. “The easiest thing for academic economists to do is sit on the fence,” he said, adding that “although academics generally do not go out on a limb, most had been willing to say that the UK faced a big choice and that enough of Labour’s programme accords with their own views”. Five who took the lead in promoting the letter included David Blanchflower, professor of economics at Dartmouth College, in the US, who publicly fell out with Jeremy Corbyn, writing in 2016 that under Mr Corbyn: “Labour does not seem to have a credible economic plan.”

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12 hours ago, banjodeano said:

what a load of old tosh.....pressure groups are involved in every elections,  are they not?

how is it vulnerable to vote rigging?

it was far deeper than that, he was a leftie, she is a tory lite, the membership voted Corbyn to lead the party, i guess you dont like democracy then...

Labours sudden shift further left after Corbyn was elected failed to carry its traditional voters with it. You and others of your socialist beliefs keep calling those who are more centrist has Tory lite. I’ve said before I believe the average voter stands on the middle ground of politics they don’t in the main pay much attention to the extremes being it left or right. You may not call your socialist beliefs extreme but in the main others do at this moment in time.

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52 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

Labours sudden shift further left after Corbyn was elected failed to carry its traditional voters with it. You and others of your socialist beliefs keep calling those who are more centrist has Tory lite. I’ve said before I believe the average voter stands on the middle ground of politics they don’t in the main pay much attention to the extremes being it left or right. You may not call your socialist beliefs extreme but in the main others do at this moment in time.

to be perfectly honest, i think a lot of the traditional labour voters had already been lost, i think they had become  disillusioned with the party even before Corbyn came to power, and the stance on Brexit just about finished it off, one thing that i do find odd is that Starmer was one of the main ones pushing  for the second referendum. and  now it all went pete tong he has distanced himself from his own part in the party's downfall.

I speak to loads of working class people, and i will be honest, 90% of them hate corbyn, but when you push them on the reasons why, they can never give a proper answer, and when i ask them about the policies which they very rarely know about, they usually think that they sound okay..but they hate Corbyn and will not vote for him, i also notice how the media are starting to call Rebecca Baily,  Corbyn mark 2, this is all very subtle, so that when she gets elected , she will be demonised  because she has been connected to Corbyn, unfortunately she will face the same abuse as Corbyn because she is a socialist.

Also, i am surprised that no one has mentioned the intervention by the Board of Deputies on this thread, they are also wanting to dictate events within the party

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21 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

to be perfectly honest, i think a lot of the traditional labour voters had already been lost, i think they had become  disillusioned with the party even before Corbyn came to power, and the stance on Brexit just about finished it off, one thing that i do find odd is that Starmer was one of the main ones pushing  for the second referendum. and  now it all went pete tong he has distanced himself from his own part in the party's downfall.

I speak to loads of working class people, and i will be honest, 90% of them hate corbyn, but when you push them on the reasons why, they can never give a proper answer, and when i ask them about the policies which they very rarely know about, they usually think that they sound okay..but they hate Corbyn and will not vote for him, i also notice how the media are starting to call Rebecca Baily,  Corbyn mark 2, this is all very subtle, so that when she gets elected , she will be demonised  because she has been connected to Corbyn, unfortunately she will face the same abuse as Corbyn because she is a socialist.

Also, i am surprised that no one has mentioned the intervention by the Board of Deputies on this thread, they are also wanting to dictate events within the party

I think hate is a little strong. Corbyn undoubtedly is a good orator and campaigner but has for being PM I personally don’t think he would have been up to the job. I’m far from your or his politics but I admire you for sticking by them and that’s what makes me proud of our democracy.

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3 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

I think hate is a little strong. Corbyn undoubtedly is a good orator and campaigner but has for being PM I personally don’t think he would have been up to the job. I’m far from your or his politics but I admire you for sticking by them and that’s what makes me proud of our democracy.

I also don't think he would have been a great leader, but good enough, he has his faults, but I believe is honesty and fair play would have been enough,  I believe he was the best choice in the last two elections, I think one of his downfalls was not being tough enough, he had people plotting his downfall, and then offered them a conciliatory position in the cabinet, which in turn proved to be a waste of time and took as a sign of weakness, but overall he was up to the job, his policies were right, and I believe history will prove this.

As for hate, I think that is the correct word, but then it may be just the circle of people I work with, but they really do not have a nice word for him,

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