The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[alchresearch 214]

New Tory voters think Labour left them, not the other way around

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-tory-voters-think-labour-left-them-not-the-other-way-around-f0j5r7w6p

 

[banjodeano 31]

4 hours ago, melthebell said:

I think you missed sheffbags point by a country mile, if Momentum tell us this is their candidate (one that supports their ideals, left wing) and gets all their supporters to vote for that candidate. then thats 40.000 votes more than the next candidate.

BUT

maybe their candidate is not the one to get Labour out of this mire yet wins cos the membership have been told to vote for one Momentum like rather than one that can get the party as a whole back to winning ways?

 

Its been brought up numerous times, dont get me wrong i support left wing ideals (to an extent) im an anarchist, BUT there comes a point where in real terms do you want to be clinging onto your left wing ideals and let the tories have another 10 / 20 / 30 years in power? or do you want to change things from the inside...by getting into power and maybe having to compromise things a wee bit to achieve your aims

 

shouting from the outside all your life is schoolboy politics

no i really havent, momentum members will choose a socialist candidate, momentum members dont really need to be told who is a socialist candidate, they know who is a socialist and who isnt, they are probably far more clued up on labour party politics than you are, momentum members were always going to vote for a socialist, so they are not giving one candidate a 40.000 head start over the other, because they were always going to vote that way anyway...if the labour party allowed more socialist mp's on the slate then it really would work to the rights advantage, it would split the socialist vote and give the right a better chance of getting a right wing mp elected, but their stupidity and belligerence at keeping a socialist out will probably work against them

9 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

New Tory voters think Labour left them, not the other way around

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-tory-voters-think-labour-left-them-not-the-other-way-around-f0j5r7w6p

 

as i have said, they probably had that feeling well before corbyn came along

[hobinfoot 25]

I admire people who stand by their party through thick and thin but sometimes it can be the wrong choice. If Labour elect another leader from the left it will be a gift to the Conservatives. 

[Pettytom 1]

2 hours ago, banjodeano said:

it belongs to the membership, and i am part of the said membership, which in turn means i have a voice within the party

 

You are one voice amongst many. Your’s is  one opinion in a spectrum of opinions. You should maybe reflect on that a little.

 

Anyway, you’ve inspired me to rejoin the party that I quit when Blair was war-mongering. Only so that I can vote for Kier, you understand.

 

 He’s the only one who can make labour electable. Thanks for the motivation 

[banjodeano 31]

11 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

You are one voice amongst many. Your’s is  one opinion in a spectrum of opinions. You should maybe reflect on that a little.

 

Anyway, you’ve inspired me to rejoin the party that I quit when Blair was war-mongering. Only so that I can vote for Kier, you understand.

 

 He’s the only one who can make labour electable. Thanks for the motivation 

hahaha, I always said i was an inspiration to others......

thats brilliant news, i'm glad you are joining, strength in numbers and all that...

Yeah, i am only one voice, but there are many voices like mine, lets see if Starmer gets elected shall we....

[Pettytom 1]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

hahaha, I always said i was an inspiration to others......

thats brilliant news, i'm glad you are joining, strength in numbers and all that...

Yeah, i am only one voice, but there are many voices like mine, lets see if Starmer gets elected shall we....

I’m not sure that he will, but I hope he does.

 

I was at University with Kier, he’s a good guy.

 

What I do know is that if he doesn’t get elected, Labour won’t either.

[banjodeano 31]

15 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

I’m not sure that he will, but I hope he does.

 

I was at University with Kier, he’s a good guy.

 

What I do know is that if he doesn’t get elected, Labour won’t either.

perhaps you may be right, but my heart tells me i should vote for someone with socialist principles,  i am not going to change what i believe in just so i can back a winner, if that was the case then the labour party should just adopt Tory principles and get elected at any price, not for me thanks

[Longcol 600]

44 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

perhaps you may be right, but my heart tells me i should vote for someone with socialist principles,  i am not going to change what i believe in just so i can back a winner, if that was the case then the labour party should just adopt Tory principles and get elected at any price, not for me thanks

No - it should present itself as a credible alternative government - not a pressure group seemingly only wanting to appeal to a small section of the political spectrum.

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The only way to get a socialist government elected is to hide socialism within liberalism.

  

[banjodeano 31]

9 minutes ago, Longcol said:

No - it should present itself as a credible alternative government - not a pressure group seemingly only wanting to appeal to a small section of the political spectrum.

In my opinion a socialist government is a credible opposition

[Longcol 600]

2 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

In my opinion a socialist government is a credible opposition

????

 

A government governs, not opposes.

[banjodeano 31]

2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

????

 

A government governs, not opposes.

yes, that would be why they are called the government, and the opposition opposes....thats cleared that up then, anything else to add?