The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[banjodeano 28]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

You've been in denial ever since the catastrophic defeat.

 

Corbynism is dead and buried - continuity Corbynism under Long-Bailey (or any other leader) will only condemn Labour to a further 10 years of Tory government (making 20 in total).

 

Let's talk about that rather than the "rule book" - slighly more relevant I think.

Still no facts then? so why make the silly claims if you can not back it up with facts?

okay...lets put it to bed, i think i have made my point

[Longcol 592]

1 minute ago, banjodeano said:

Still no facts then? so why make the silly claims if you can not back it up with facts?

okay...lets put it to bed, i think i have made my point

Run away again. Still in denial.

[banjodeano 28]

Just now, Longcol said:

Run away again. Still in denial.

run away from what? 

[Longcol 592]

Just now, banjodeano said:

run away from what? 

The fact that Corbynism was a disaster, is dead and buried, continuity Corbynism isn't the answer unless we want another ren years of the Tories.

[tinfoilhat 11]

14 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Still no facts then? so why make the silly claims if you can not back it up with facts?

okay...lets put it to bed, i think i have made my point

Here's a fact. Corbyn lost - heavily - against quite possibly the most incompetent government this country has seen, off the back of 10 years of austerity etc etc. And he lost the election before that too.

 

Actually there's more than one fact in there.

[banjodeano 28]

2 minutes ago, Longcol said:

The fact that Corbynism was a disaster, is dead and buried, continuity Corbynism isn't the answer unless we want another ren years of the Tories.

erm....is that running away because i dont agree with you? you seem to be using a strange,  or even bizarre choice of words tonight...

as i said in a previous post, i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

[Longcol 592]

Just now, banjodeano said:

erm....is that running away because i dont agree with you? you seem to be using a strange,  or even bizarre choice of words tonight...

as i said in a previous post, i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

Like I said - in denial.

 

 

[Pettytom 1]

1 hour ago, banjodeano said:

erm....is that running away because i dont agree with you? you seem to be using a strange,  or even bizarre choice of words tonight...

as i said in a previous post, i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

Corbyn lost because he wasn’t credible. He’s not Prime Minister material and should have stood down years ago for the good of the party.

 

I’m an ex-door knocker and envelope stuffed, by the way. So please don’t patronise me with your tru-socialist nonsense.

 

You momentum types need to realise that the game is over. Whilst you are moaning about paying for broadband, a whole host of people are paying the price of your vanity project.

 

It is time to grow up and recognise what needs to be done to elect a Labour government in four years time.

[Longcol 592]

18 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

Corbyn lost because he wasn’t credible. He’s not Prime Minister material and should have stood down years ago for the good of the party.

 

I’m an ex-door knocker and envelope stuffed, by the way. So please don’t patronise me with your tru-socialist nonsense.

 

You momentum types need to realise that the game is over. Whilst you are moaning about paying for broadband, a whole host of people are paying the price of your vanity project.

 

It is time to grow up and recognise what needs to be done to elect a Labour government in four years time.

By which time the Tories may well have repealed the Fixed Term Parliaments Act so they can hold a GE when it's to their advantage - and re-drawn constituency boundaries to their advantage.

 

Momentum / Stagnation / Paralysis will still be arguing / discussing whether the manifesto should be 50 pages or longer - to be decided by an internet vote where the choices are yes or no (in which case it'll be ignored - or counted as yes).

Edited January 17, 2020 by Longcol

[Fudbeer 12]

8 hours ago, Pettytom said:

Corbyn lost because he wasn’t credible. He’s not Prime Minister material and should have stood down years ago for the good of the party.

 

I’m an ex-door knocker and envelope stuffed, by the way. So please don’t patronise me with your tru-socialist nonsense.

 

You momentum types need to realise that the game is over. Whilst you are moaning about paying for broadband, a whole host of people are paying the price of your vanity project.

 

It is time to grow up and recognise what needs to be done to elect a Labour government in four years time.

Good post.

 

For me their broadband policy summed up how far removed from  voters Corbyn had come.

 

With all the issues that voters are concerned about they come up with a policy that addresses something that virtually nobody has an issue with. and I doubt convinced anyone to vote for them.

 

Its time Labour started listening to its voters again virtually all the surveys say that Corbyn along with his Brexit policy WAS the issue.

 

Yet Long Bailey gives him 10/10 You couldn't make it up!

 

A company that does not listen to its customers does not do well.

[alchresearch 208]

11 hours ago, banjodeano said:

i dont believe Corbyn lost because the people disliked his policies, i think he lost because he chose the wrong strategy on brexit, in short he should have been up front and gone along with the vote, in the previous election he increased labours vote share on the  same policies.....

Rubbish, there's more than that and we've been saying it on here for years, but you ignored it and Labour got the bloody nose it long deserved.

 

He alienated and split the party into so many factions.  

 

This should have been the time he stood down:

 

Labour MPs pass no-confidence motion in Jeremy Corbyn

 

Quote

The 172-40 vote, which is not binding, follows resignations from the shadow cabinet and calls on Mr Corbyn to quit.

Mr Corbyn said the ballot had "no constitutional legitimacy" and said he would not "betray" the members who voted for him by resigning.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458

 

But no.  He was steering the ship onto the rocks and wouldn't let go of the rudder.

 

And as long as organisations like Momentum and people like Rebecca Wrong Daily have anything to do with the party and think the UK is anything like the little bubble they occupy then they'll keep getting punished.

Edited January 17, 2020 by alchresearch

[sheffbag 224]

16 hours ago, banjodeano said:

Gamble on what? i dont have a clue what you are talking about, momentum dont decide who the leader of the labour party is, each member has a vote, whether they are also in momentum or not

Come on Banjo, you're better than that. Momentum claim 40,000 members which is a fair chunk of the Labour membership. By them effectively self declaring RLB as their chosen one this gives her all the financial and promotional support that momentum can supply. Do you not agree that any additional promotional material or votes from momentum will help RLB in her cause? 

Yes the "members" have the vote in the end but Momentum will be pushing a lot of its 40K membership to vote for RLB.