The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[Baron99 778]

1 hour ago, beefface said:

Apparently, Labour now feel strongly that their next leader should be a woman (various interviews with party representatives). Do these people not learn? Do they seriously believe that on the council estates, working men's clubs, Wetherspoons etc disillusioned Labour voters are banging fists on tables, muttering to themselves “If only we had a female leader!”. They may do, because they wouldn’t be seen dead in such places!

 

Although I didn't vote for Labour, I find it totally patronising that they simply believe that they can win their northern heartlands back, simply by selecting someone who first & foremost a Northener & a woman.  

 

Will she also be required to wear a flat cap & have a whippet in one hand while propping a kestrel up on her other arm? 

 

Smacks of a London based focus group to me. 

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Interesting stirrings on Twitter today from Corbyn supporters and Pro-Corbyn MPs, talking about setting up their own "new" socialist party (a bit like Socialist Labour then?) and taking their support there.

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2 hours ago, Ridgewalk said:

Given that centrists since at least Kinnock have ruled the roost, and considering the neo-liberals had a fairly long run surely you wouldn’t begrudge socialists a run at it.

No one seems to refer to the loss off 55 regular Scottish Labour MPs that are now lost to nationalists as contributing to Labours absence from office

No I wouldn't want Socialists having a run at it,  having a presence within is fine as all voices are needed, but certainly not dominating the party.

That said, I would be very wary of those minority power hungry militant Trotskyist types the party has behind the scenes reappearing to create more chaos. 

 

As to those Labour MP losses,  its sad to see decent hard working  dedicated politicians losing their seats, even some of those from other parties. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

Interesting stirrings on Twitter today from Corbyn supporters and Pro-Corbyn MPs, talking about setting up their own "new" socialist party (a bit like Socialist Labour then?) and taking their support there.

Sadly, I fear that if this happens it will be the end of Labour as a political force in this country., if they aren't already that is.

 

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1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

Although I didn't vote for Labour, I find it totally patronising that they simply believe that they can win their northern heartlands back, simply by selecting someone who first & foremost a Northener & a woman.  

 

Will she also be required to wear a flat cap & have a whippet in one hand while propping a kestrel up on her other arm? 

 

Smacks of a London based focus group to me. 

They just voted for a posh Old Etonian. I think they are barking up the wrong tree if they think the problem is working class credentials.

4 minutes ago, convert said:

Sadly, I fear that if this happens it will be the end of Labour as a political force in this country., if they aren't already that is.

 

I would have thought that would help Labour - the electorate has just rejected the socialist project. Jettisoning them  might make Labour electable again. If Boris serves his full term it will be 50 years since any Labour leader, except Blair, has won an election....

 

 

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7 minutes ago, nightrider said:

They just voted for a posh Old Etonian. I think they are barking up the wrong tree if they think the problem is working class credentials.

I would have thought that would help Labour - the electorate has just rejected the socialist project. Jettisoning them  might make Labour electable again. If Boris serves his full term it will be 50 years since any Labour leader, except Blair, has won an election....

 

 

erm, but they didnt reject socialist policies, they kicked labour ass because of brexit, if it was a straight toss up between labours socialist policies and the Tory ones, i am not so sure we would be having a tory government in power, a lot of labours policies were quite popular, its just that all the media wanted to talk about was antisemitism and brexit

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There were some good in labours policies but folk aren't so stupid not to realise it would lead to massive debt. I would like the utilities back in public hands and was pleased to see that, but free wifi ?

[Albert the Cat 0]

7 minutes ago, lottiecass said:

There were some good in labours policies but folk aren't so stupid not to realise it would lead to massive debt. I would like the utilities back in public hands and was pleased to see that, but free wifi ?

The free broadband idea was actually an attempt to close the social divide by giving the poorer in society access to tools that are very applicable to education nowadays. It is unsurprising to see that the uneducated don’t see the internet as a natural extension to education. 

[banjodeano 31]

6 minutes ago, lottiecass said:

There were some good in labours policies but folk aren't so stupid not to realise it would lead to massive debt. I would like the utilities back in public hands and was pleased to see that, but free wifi ?

what about a peoples bank that they wanted to implement,

  Also what about the publicly-owned company they wanted to create to make cheap versions of medicines the NHS needs but cannot afford, such as Orkambi, which is denied to thousands of children and young people with life-shortening cystic fibrosis.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/24/labour-pledges-to-break-patents-and-offer-latest-drugs-on-nhs

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17 minutes ago, Albert the Cat said:

The free broadband idea was actually an attempt to close the social divide by giving the poorer in society access to tools that are very applicable to education nowadays. It is unsurprising to see that the uneducated don’t see the internet as a natural extension to education. 

It's clear you didn't read the technical aspects of it being mooted by Labour. One of which was that not just the hardware but the provision of the Internet in the UK was to all be nationalised, as private run ISP's were to be have punitive punishments that would put them out of business unless they opened up to the new, government run service provider. So basically BT, Virgin, Sky etc would be nationalised. Once state run, it would be easier for the state to then study your browsing behaviour, control your line speed, remove your ability to have things like static IP addresses and most importantly for them to push all your traffic through a new shiny socialist firewall to make sure you don't read anything they don't want you to. Like China.

17 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

what about a peoples bank that they wanted to implement,

  Also what about the publicly-owned company they wanted to create to make cheap versions of medicines the NHS needs but cannot afford, such as Orkambi, which is denied to thousands of children and young people with life-shortening cystic fibrosis.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/24/labour-pledges-to-break-patents-and-offer-latest-drugs-on-nhs

I missed that one. Was that really a pledge? To create a state run manufacturer of medicines of medicines that are still under patent by the originating pharma company? That's theft.

Edited December 16, 2019 by the_bloke

[Baron99 778]

Interesting point made by the Editor of the Guardian yesterday on the Andrew Marr programme.  She stated in the last 10 days of the election run up, Labour spent a small fortune & way more than the Tories, focusing their campaign on social media outlets.  For that read potential voters under 30.

 

Meanwhile while, the Tories were out in numbers in the Labour / Brexit leave area, physically knocking on doors, engaging with voters. 

 

Maybe another reason for a drop in Labour supporter?  To much emphasis on the first time voters & the student vote, while at the same time, taking their long time core votes for granted? 

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1 hour ago, the_bloke said:

It's clear you didn't read the technical aspects of it being mooted by Labour. One of which was that not just the hardware but the provision of the Internet in the UK was to all be nationalised, as private run ISP's were to be have punitive punishments that would put them out of business unless they opened up to the new, government run service provider. So basically BT, Virgin, Sky etc would be nationalised. Once state run, it would be easier for the state to then study your browsing behaviour, control your line speed, remove your ability to have things like static IP addresses and most importantly for them to push all your traffic through a new shiny socialist firewall to make sure you don't read anything they don't want you to. Like China.

I missed that one. Was that really a pledge? To create a state run manufacturer of medicines of medicines that are still under patent by the originating pharma company? That's theft.

You are mis-reporting like crazy so ultimately your post becomes utter rubbish. Labour only implied the nationalisation of Openworld. No other network or provider was mentioned. 
 

Did you actually read your post before posting? You are now comparing us to China?