The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[lottiecass 17]

5 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

 

 

Your idea is simply the truth but momentum will take some shifting now , but a move to the centre is the only way back to popularity.

[Jim Hardie 517]

3 hours ago, Padders said:

Reading today Anna, Jurgen Klopp signed a new contract with Liverpool 15million a YEAR for 4yrs running a football club, absolutely stinks.

Something wrong with a system that allows people to make obscene amounts of money, while the rest of us uneducated peasants struggle on the minimum wage.

So long as he's paying an obscene amount of tax, what's the problem?

[Jim Hardie 517]

19 minutes ago, Anna B said:

And the most amazing thing is he wasn't even Labour.

What does that tell you?

[Fudbeer 12]

56 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

Not everyone has or can afford internet access, though.  If only it were available for free …

 

The amount of people who do not have internet access in this country is tiny about 7% and of that at least half do not want it.Much cheaper to just give that tiny % it for free.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Fudbeer

[Longcol 592]

12 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said:

How would you define "the centre"?

 

In what way are Labour not "patriotic"?

1) Making a strong case for quality, well funded public services - health, education, social services, social security. Nationalisation only needed if a service was demonstrably failing and posing unacceptable risks to the public / national economy/

 

2) Corbyn's previous support as a backbencher for the IRA etc appears to have weighed heavily against him reading various articles - for example;

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/15/blair-old-seat-sedgefield-rejected-corbyn-perceived-unpatriotic

Edited December 16, 2019 by Longcol

[janie48 95]

31 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It won’t even be that simple.

 

Unless Labour move towards the centre, become more patriotic and appeal to the hard working, low waged members of society, they are toast 

 

 

To a large extent I quite agree. 

 

I've never objected to Labour being a broad church party as they have always been, but lately the radical left seem to have gained far too much power and influence over the leadership. That's why I'm not entirely convinced  Brexit was the only reason Labour lost. 

 

I voted for Labour but I did so half-heartedly, almost voted for the Lib Dems. 

 

As I've said before the country needs a strong challenging opposition party with an inspiring moderate centrist leader, one that is capable of winning an election.

 

So something needs to change because a lot of the public must feel as I do, that they are living  in a one party state. 

 

 

 

[Padders 2,833]

8 hours ago, Jim Hardie said:

So long as he's paying an obscene amount of tax, what's the problem?

I do appreciate that Jim, I pay a lot more tax pro rata than Mr Klopp, £70 per month, and it flaming hurts.

[the_bloke 17]

14 hours ago, the_bloke said:

Centre and Right leaning press don't like Corbyn and his ideas shocker. Centre and Right leaning consumers of Centre and Right leaning press agree that they don't like his ideas. No shocker.

 

The Daily Mirror supports Corbyn. Answer me this; why don't more people buy the Daily Mirror?

No one want to put forward an answer?

[Anna B 1,401]

57 minutes ago, the_bloke said:

No one want to put forward an answer?

Because the Daily Mirror is more of a comic than a newspaper. Nobody takes it seriously.

 

People who read the Mail (hiighest circulation I believe) think it's  honest, quality journalism, and to be fair, it does run some interesting, well written articles. But where politics are concerned it is just a mouthpiece for the Tory party. It now doesn't even bother to disguise the fact. The bile and villification of Corbyn has been massive, vicious and unrelenting, and has certainly played its part in him losing the election, as it was always intended to do. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Anna B

[Ridgewalk 91]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

Because the Daily Mirror is more of a comic than a newspaper. Nobody takes it seriously.

 

People who read the Mail (hiighest circulation I believe) think it's  honest, quality journalism, and to be fair, it does run some interesting, well written articles. But where politics are concerned it is just a mouthpiece for the Tory party. It now doesn't even bother to disguise the fact. The bile and villification of Corbyn has been massive, vicious and unrelenting, and has certainly played its part in him losing the election, as it was always intended to do. 

Not just the Mail though is it. It's more or less the whole of the printed Media with the possible exception of the Mirror, and as I don't read it I may be wrong. That bastion of centrist liberal tolerance the Guardian printed daily attacks on Corbyn calling him anti Semitic. The editor of the paper Jonathan Freedland is a secular liberal Zionist and repeated his attacks on Corbyn on BBC Question Time, conveniantly enough in Finchley where George Galloway on that particular occasion was the sacrificial lamb. The Jewish Voice for Labour and Socialist Jewish Group were all described as the " wrong type of Jew" as they all supported Corbyn. The film director Ken Loach mentioned the constant criticism of Corby by the Guardian, saying " I'm done with the Guardian"

 

I canvassed in my local constituency, so I know what people were saying on the doorstep, eg " why does Corbyn release all those killers onto the street"  I kid you not.

 

When the dust settles and Corbyn disappears into history, there will be academic studies into the demonising of a decent human being and it's effect on voting behaviour. eg A   Paradigm Study of Disinformation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[alchresearch 208]

From Jess Phillips.  A few on here would be wise to heed her words.

 

[RollingJ 1,975]

3 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

From Jess Phillips.  A few on here would be wise to heed her words.

 

Doesn't work.