The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[melthebell 862]

19 minutes ago, BoroB said:

It's time for Labour to stop blaming others and take a long hard look at itself as to why voters in its heartlands are abandoning it.

 

It wasn't the media that opened the borders without any considerations or planning, flooding working class areas with people putting pressure on school places, doctors surgeries,  housing, hospital places, council services etc.

 

Labour acted, people reacted by giving their votes to other parties.

 

When people raise concerns Labour grandees brand them as bigoted.

 

Labour working class areas vote to leave the EU and Labour dismiss their concerns yet again, putting Parliament into the paralysis that led to Thursday's election.

 

Jeremy Corbyn then chose to address the Brexit issue by ignoring it, burying his head in the sand by offering no clear policy.

 

It's an insult to the working class to blame 'media manipulation' for these areas who have been ignored, patronised and abandoned by Labour choosing to vote elsewhere.

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

Edited December 14, 2019 by melthebell

[BoroB 10]

10 minutes ago, melthebell said:

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

'Blind Obsession'  for Labour not giving a monkeys for them and taking their vote for granted?

 

What is for all to see is that places who have never voted Tory in generations took a look at what Labour were offering and said no thank you.

[melthebell 862]

16 minutes ago, BoroB said:

'Blind Obsession'  for Labour not giving a monkeys for them and taking their vote for granted?

 

What is for all to see is that places who have never voted Tory in generations took a look at what Labour were offering and said no thank you.

thats not what happened though, a mixture of brexit and media manipulation, i doubt anybody barely even looked at wha they were offering

[carosio 186]

35 minutes ago, melthebell said:

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

Given Labour’s obscurantist brexit policy over the past 3 years, leavers didn’t have much choice. In addition, if the claim that there are now more remainers than leavers is true , then Labour should have gained their votes.

 

[melthebell 862]

1 minute ago, carosio said:

Given Labour’s obscurantist brexit policy over the past 3 years, leavers didn’t have much choice. In addition, if the claim that there are now more remainers than leavers is true , then Labour should have gained their votes.

 

 

not really they wernt a remain party

[carosio 186]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

not really they wernt a remain party

I wish they had told us before the election!

[melthebell 862]

2 minutes ago, carosio said:

I wish they had told us before the election!

pretty easy to see if you use your eyes and ears

Edited December 14, 2019 by melthebell

[BoroB 10]

10 minutes ago, melthebell said:

thats not what happened though, a mixture of brexit and media manipulation, i doubt anybody barely even looked at wha they were offering

Its clear from the news coverage over the last 48 hours that people did look at what Labour offered before making their decision.

 

In my opinion its insulting for people to suggest otherwise.

 

 

7 minutes ago, melthebell said:

pretty easy to see if you use your eyes and ears

But if people use their eyes and ears all they see and hear is 'media manipulation' according to you.

[Michael_W 11]

53 minutes ago, melthebell said:

its not blaming others we KNOW brextremists were going to boycott labour in their blind obsession, BUT looking at the lies in the media and social media speaks for itself, its for all to see

Constantly claiming  your political opponents are extremists or that people are stupid and have been sucked in by media propaganda does you no favours whatsoever, I could claim that very narrow minded leftist narrative strengthens the reason why many working class people won't vote Labour anymore, that people like you have equally been duped by the patronising Guardianista, the middle class socialists, many of whom seem to be as brainwashed and indoctrinated by extreme leftism as those they demonise on the working class right.

Corbyn and his momentum cronies are very cosy with their pals in the socialist worker movement, groups of whom demonstrate against and demonise everyone and everything they disagree with, their political viewpoints are as divisive and littered with as much if not more envy and hatred as those they claim to be against on the far right, and the vast majority of ordinary people  can see that !

The bad loser syndrome seems to have carried on, the entitled generation have the excuse of being young naive and not knowing any better but someone your age mel ..... really ? 

[melthebell 862]

1 minute ago, BoroB said:

Its clear from the news coverage over the last 48 hours that people did look at what Labour offered before making their decision.

 

In my opinion its insulting for people to suggest otherwise.

 

 

But if people use their eyes and ears all they see and hear is 'media manipulation' according to you.

what i saw and heard with my own ears and eyes...including from my team leader things like oh youre not voting for that IRA supporter, something lifted wholly out of the press and taken as an excuse far and above what they were offering, youre talking bobbar my friend

Just now, Michael_W said:

Constantly claiming  your political opponents are extremists or that people are stupid and have been sucked in by media propaganda does you no favours whatsoever, I could claim that very narrow minded leftist narrative strengthens the reason why many working class people won't vote Labour anymore, that people like you have equally been duped by the patronising Guardianista, the middle class socialists, many of whom seem to be as brainwashed and indoctrinated by extreme leftism as those they demonise on the working class right.

Corbyn and his momentum cronies are very cosy with their pals in the socialist worker movement, groups of whom demonstrate against and demonise everyone and everything they disagree with, their political viewpoints are as divisive and littered with as much if not more envy and hatred as those they claim to be against on the far right, and the vast majority of ordinary people  can see that !

The bad loser syndrome seems to have carried on, the entitled generation have the excuse of being young naive and not knowing any better but someone your age mel ..... really ? 

all that drivel means is some of us dont base our views on race, religion or dirty foriegners

[Michael_W 11]

2 minutes ago, melthebell said:

what i saw and heard with my own ears and eyes...including from my team leader things like oh youre not voting for that IRA supporter, something lifted wholly out of the press and taken as an excuse far and above what they were offering, youre talking bobbar my friend

all that drivel means is some of us dont base our views on race, religion or dirty foriegners

No but your political views are equally as divise as those that do, you and you cohorts in the Labour party have politicised those very issues as much as anyone in the last 20 years ...... oh BTW the word bobbar got dropped about 40 years ago !

[BoroB 10]

13 minutes ago, melthebell said:

what i saw and heard with my own ears and eyes...including from my team leader things like oh youre not voting for that IRA supporter, something lifted wholly out of the press and taken as an excuse far and above what they were offering, youre talking bobbar my friend

all that drivel means is some of us dont base our views on race, religion or dirty foriegners

Its good to know that you can see and hear things, interpret that how you want and apparently make an informed rational decision whereas other people who see and hear the same  things as you but make different decisions to yours are insulted and are talking bobbar.

 

That sums up the Labour party as it is now, if they don't agree with Labour, ignore them, insult them, patronise them, and moan, moan, moan.