The Labour Party. All discussion here please

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2 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

All enlightened legistlation in this country has been introduced by the ruling party.

 

Apart from Cameron’s gay marriage legislation, almost all progressive legislation in this country has been introduced by Labour or Liberal governments.

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Karl Marx - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

 

Another who never worked a day in his life.

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4 minutes ago, Flanker7 said:

Karl Marx - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

 

Another who never worked a day in his life.

Are you suggesting that writing and thinking don’t count as work?

 

Maybe you ought to tell that to J K Rowling (net worth £1.1 billion) and Google (net worth £76 billion).

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8 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Are you suggesting that writing and thinking don’t count as work?

 

Maybe you ought to tell that to J K Rowling (net worth £1.1 billion) and Google (net worth £76 billion).

She is one of the fortunate people that get paid for indulging in their hobby, its not "work" to her in real sense as such.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Nightbird

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1 minute ago, Nightbird said:

She is one of the fortunate people that get paid for indulging in their hobby, its not "work" to her in real sense as such.

It actually is work.

 

Check out the interview with her where she talks about the discipline of having to write even when she doesn’t want to and the awful responsibility of having millions of people around the world, speaking a hundred different languages, relying on her to deliver the most important event in their young lives!

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5 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

If Labour didn’t see things in terms of class struggle, what would it make any different from the Lib Dems or even the Conservative Party?

 

And historic battles, particularly victories are very important particularly now at a time when the working class is at a low. The right has always claimed that nothing will ever change. The abolition of slavery, women’s suffrage, trade union rights, abolition of the death penalty, equal opportunities, and a minimum wage were all portrayed as nothing more than pipe dreams that were unachievable. 

 

Celebrating these victories serve as a reminder that things can change if we stand in solidarity with other workers. I was never a big fan of Tony Benn but one thing he was always very good at was opposing ‘miserablism’ on the left and looking at the strengths and positives in life.

What victory does the Durham Miners gala celebrate?

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1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said:

The abolition of slavery and the emancipation of women were both resisted by the ruling class as was most equal opportunities legislation.

 

The working class is simply everyone who earns a wage (or receives some form of benefit) although many who earn a higher wage choose to describe themselves as middle class now.

Sigh, I can't be bothered just now but it isn't as simple as this.

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39 minutes ago, bendix said:

What victory does the Durham Miners gala celebrate?

Paid holidays, paid tea breaks,  better health and safety standards, shorter working week, 

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5 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

Paid holidays, paid tea breaks,  better health and safety standards, shorter working week, 

Industrialists eventually realised that there is little point in producing things if most people couldn't consume what was being produced if they were at work all the time, hence time off.

Edited July 16, 2019 by Nightbird

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48 minutes ago, Nightbird said:

Industrialists eventually realised that there is little point in producing things if most people couldn't consume what was being produced if they were at work all the time, hence time off.

I cant agree with that, you cant take away the fact that the workers united and fought for the things i listed above, industrialists didnt give those things i mentioned out of the kindness of their hearts, the men had to fight for them, The 1926  general strike was called to prevent wage reductions and worsening conditions, 

The miners maintained resistance for a few months before being forced, by their own economic needs, to return to the mines. By the end of November, most miners were back at work. However, many remained unemployed for many years. Those still employed were forced to accept longer hours, lower wages and district wage agreements. 

You can also include  the Peterloo Massacre which  took place at St Peter's Field, Manchester, Lancashire, England, on 16 August 1819, when cavalry charged into a crowd of 60,000–80,000 who had gathered to demand the reform of parliamentary representation.

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I can't speak for all miners but I was involved in a programme to get them back into work in the early 90s where  many went into engineering shops, covering all kinds of jobs from basic labouring, to machine operators and setters. 

 

And those I worked with said it was the best thing that had happened to them and that they wished they'd left the pits sooner.

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15 hours ago, banjodeano said:

 

The miners maintained resistance for a few months before being forced, by their own economic needs, to return to the mines. By the end of November, most miners were back at work. However, many remained unemployed for many years. Those still employed were forced to accept longer hours, lower wages and district wage agreements. 

 

Rumbled!  You quite literally copy and pasted that from Wikipedia.  If you're going to preach to people, at least have the gumption to rewrite stuff in your own words.

 

Oh, and here is the original quote from Wiki.   Could you explain why you deleted the last sentence from the paragraph you lifted (bolded by me) while deciding to emphasise the bits that suit your argument?  That's a curious omission, and intellectually dishonest.  Perhaps it was an inconvenient truth:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926_United_Kingdom_general_strike

 

"The miners maintained resistance for a few months before being forced, by their own economic needs, to return to the mines. By the end of November, most miners were back at work. However, many remained unemployed for many years. Those still employed were forced to accept longer hours, lower wages and district wage agreements. The strikers felt that they had achieved nothing"

Edited July 17, 2019 by bendix