The Labour Party. All discussion here please

[tinfoilhat 11]

24 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Do you think the membership should be purged, so that it only includes people who support the current leadership and all current policies? Or do you believe in free thinking and speaking?

Of course, you are free to heap praise on st jezza and deride the free press who dare cross him as much as you want.

[altus 533]

22 minutes ago, banjodeano said:

i believe all party members should obey the party rules, i was once suspended for breaking party rules, everyone else should follow them regardless of who they are......

 

The Labour Party Rulebook 2018 Chapter 2, Membership Rules, Clause 1, 4B (page 10) reads as follows: A member of the Party who joins and/or supports a political organisation other than an official Labour group or other unit of the Party, or supports any candidate who stands against an official Labour candidate or publicly declares their intent to stand against a Labour candidate, shall automatically be ineligible to be or remain a Party member, subject to the provisions of Chapter 6.I.2 below of the disciplinary rules.

Mike Creighton, former Labour director of governance and legal, disagrees with you about voting for another party breaking that rule.

[Top Cats Hat 10]

31 minutes ago, bendix said:

Does that apply to Corbyn himself when he voted dozens of times against Labour Party policy? 

 

If not why not?

Of course it doesn't.

 

The why not is because the rule applies to voting for, standing against or supporting political organisations other than the Labour Party. Clearly opposing party policy is not included otherwise party policy could never change.

[bendix 10]

15 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Of course it doesn't.

 

The why not is because the rule applies to voting for, standing against or supporting political organisations other than the Labour Party. Clearly opposing party policy is not included otherwise party policy could never change.

Interesting, but I'm not sure if that doesn't open a whole can of worms.  Besides, Labour Party policy is not made in the Houses of Commons - it is made at conference.  Of course he can oppose leadership at conference, but once that policy has been agreed, surely he has a duty to support it in the House of Commons, where he frequently voted in the same way as Tories and LibDems did to oppose Labour Party policy.

 

Couldn't - indeed, didn't - Campbell claim he voted against Labour to change or influence their policy?  Is it then ok to defy the leadership and vote against your leadership - and democratically developed policy - from within, but not from without the Corbyn cabal?

[Top Cats Hat 10]

4 minutes ago, bendix said:

surely he has a duty to support it in the House of Commons, - 

Duty is a moral rather than a legal issue and MPs are allowed to vote with their conscience.

 

Let’s not forget that Catholic Labour MPs have always been allowed to vote against party policy on abortion (and previously gay rights.)

 

The only members who have an expectation of them to support policy are ministers or shadow ministers.

[hobinfoot 25]

22 hours ago, banjodeano said:

i believe all party members should obey the party rules, i was once suspended for breaking party rules, everyone else should follow them regardless of who they are......

 

The Labour Party Rulebook 2018 Chapter 2, Membership Rules, Clause 1, 4B (page 10) reads as follows: A member of the Party who joins and/or supports a political organisation other than an official Labour group or other unit of the Party, or supports any candidate who stands against an official Labour candidate or publicly declares their intent to stand against a Labour candidate, shall automatically be ineligible to be or remain a Party member, subject to the provisions of Chapter 6.I.2 below of the disciplinary rules.

 

 

A lot of Labour members will need to be kicked out then.

[Mister M 1,598]

23 hours ago, bendix said:

Curiously the odious Kate Hoey, who has effectively campaigned for the Brexit Party over the last few months and shared a stage with Farage at a rally in late March isn’t punished.  

 

 

 

Here is Corbyn congratulating the Repsect MP George Galloway on his election win in Bradford. 

Shouldn't he have been commiserating with the Labour Party member?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/185542633056239616?lang=en

 

 

 

[banjodeano 28]

18 minutes ago, Mister M said:

 

Here is Corbyn congratulating the Repsect MP George Galloway on his election win in Bradford. 

Shouldn't he have been commiserating with the Labour Party member?

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/185542633056239616?lang=en

 

 

 

isnt that what a gentleman does, congratulate the winner? if you play a game of squash and lose. dont you congratulate your opponent on his win?

[banjodeano 28]

43 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

A lot of Labour members will need to be kicked out then.

they already have been, 

[bendix 10]

On ‎28‎/‎05‎/‎2019 at 20:42, Top Cats Hat said:

Of course it doesn't.

 

The why not is because the rule applies to voting for, standing against or supporting political organisations other than the Labour Party. Clearly opposing party policy is not included otherwise party policy could never change.

 

21 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Duty is a moral rather than a legal issue and MPs are allowed to vote with their conscience.

 

Let’s not forget that Catholic Labour MPs have always been allowed to vote against party policy on abortion (and previously gay rights.)

 

The only members who have an expectation of them to support policy are ministers or shadow ministers.

 

 

It's great that Labour  MPs are allowed to vote with the conscience, but ordinary Labour Party members aren't.

 

 

[Pettytom 1]

9 minutes ago, bendix said:

 

 

 

It's great that Labour  MPs are allowed to vote with the conscience, but ordinary Labour Party members aren't.

 

 

It’s nice to see a party with members who have a conscience to vote with....

[bendix 10]

13 minutes ago, Pettytom said:

It’s nice to see a party with members who have a conscience to vote with....

Do you not see the irony of your comment?  What's the point of having a conscience to vote with, if you get expelled for doing exactly that?