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1 minute ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Do you understand the difference between deficit and debt? If you do, presumably you understand that even reducing the deficit will still increase debt, just by less than what it would have increased by. Debt only goes down when we runs surplus. If we measure by percentage not GDP though, debt issue starting to fall now, because of the drastically reduced deficit.

Rough translation: "people who disagree with me are stupid, only my way of thinking is right".

I’ve just explained it to you - the deficit is decreasing and the debt is increasing - so again - what makes you so proud of this achievement?

 

 

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4 minutes ago, makapaka said:

I’ve just explained it to you - the deficit is decreasing and the debt is increasing - so again - what makes you so proud of this achievement?

 

 

How many times does it have to be explained that debt can’t go down until the deficit becomes a surplus. Don’t pretend that decreasing the deficit so successfully isn’t a success because the debt still grew. 

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12 hours ago, Mister M said:

 

You made an assertion that Galloway would not share a platform with Jews, as it's Jews, not Israelis that he's got a problem with. I provide evidence to the contrary in my reply, which you chose to ignore. I

 

 

Rosen, a former supporter of the Socialist Workers party and also a candidate under Galloway for Respect isn't exactly typical is he.

 

so-called anti-Zionists like Galloway are always looking for 'good Jews' to share a platform with, although they invariably find that there is very few of them as the overwhelming majority of Jewish people worldwide, however they vote, left or right,  support the notion of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. 

 

there is a small number of extreme left wing 'good Jews' like Rosen they can get on board, but there is not all that many. So usually Galloway and his ilk are reduced to trying to persuade the Jewish religous nutjobs Neuteri Karta to appear with them, and which only shows their desperation, because Neuteri Karta are not anti-Zionist at all. They believe that Israel is only illegitimate because the Messiah is not yet here. When the Messiah comes, Neuteri Karta will morph into the most extreme Zionists you ever saw. 

 

Just now, blake said:

Rosen, a former supporter of the Socialist Workers party and also a candidate under Galloway for Respect isn't exactly typical is he.

 

so-called anti-Zionists like Galloway are always looking for 'good Jews' to share a platform with, although they invariably find that there is very few of them as the overwhelming majority of Jewish people worldwide, however they vote, left or right,  support the notion of a Jewish homeland in the Middle East. 

 

there is a small number of extreme left wing 'good Jews' like Rosen they can get on board, but there is not all that many. Corbyn did the same when he started associating with Jewdas, a bunch of nutjobs, when the antisemitic headlines started coming in thick and fast. But there is not all that many left wing ones. So usually Galloway and his ilk are reduced to trying to persuade the Jewish religous fundamentalist nutjobs Neuteri Karta to appear with them, and which only shows their desperation, because Neuteri Karta are not anti-Zionist at all. They believe that Israel is only illegitimate because the Messiah is not yet here. When the Messiah comes, Neuteri Karta will morph into the most extreme Zionists you ever saw. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Do you understand the difference between deficit and debt? If you do, presumably you understand that even reducing the deficit will still increase debt, just by less than what it would have increased by. Debt only goes down when we runs surplus. If we measure by percentage not GDP though, debt issue starting to fall now, because of the drastically reduced deficit.

Rough translation: "people who disagree with me are stupid, only my way of thinking is right".

Did you miss the bit about the Tories missing every single deficit reduction target they set themselves for 7 years?

 

Dont answer. It’s clear that you did miss it.

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23 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

Did you miss the bit about the Tories missing every single deficit reduction target they set themselves for 7 years?

 

Dont answer. It’s clear that you did miss it.

But they still achieved it in the end. I think that’s the more substantive point. I’m not really bothered that it took longer than they originally thought (things always do) but I do think it was important that the deficit was brought down. 

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2 hours ago, blake said:

Rosen, a former supporter of the Socialist Workers party and also a candidate under Galloway for Respect isn't exactly typical is he.

Yes but Michael Rosen is very Jewish and proud of it!

 

Do you realise how ridiculous your post is? You start off by saying that it is not Israel that Galloway has a problem with, it's Jews. Then when it is pointed out that Galloway has shared many platforms with many Jews, you respond by saying "Yes but they are anti Israeli Jews. He won't share a platform with Zionist supporters of Israel"

 

So we are agreed then? Galloway doesn't have a problem with Jews, he has a problem with Zionist Jews who support the actions of the state of Israel in Palestine. In that case we are agreed that Galloway is not antisemitic he is antizionist.

 

Good, I'm glad we have that sorted out!

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3 hours ago, Robin-H said:

How many times does it have to be explained that debt can’t go down until the deficit becomes a surplus. Don’t pretend that decreasing the deficit so successfully isn’t a success because the debt still grew. 

cutting services that leave the most vulnerable suffering is not a success.

 

driving the economy to increase revenue would do the opposite of course.

 

but if austerity measures don’t make the tories  personally poorer - then why not.....

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2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said:

Did you miss the bit about the Tories missing every single deficit reduction target they set themselves for 7 years?

 

Dont answer. It’s clear that you did miss it.

Better to have an overly ambitious target and get close to it, than to set a low target and achieve it.

4 hours ago, Robin-H said:

How many times does it have to be explained that debt can’t go down until the deficit becomes a surplus. Don’t pretend that decreasing the deficit so successfully isn’t a success because the debt still grew. 

Indeed.

 

4 hours ago, makapaka said:

I’ve just explained it to you - the deficit is decreasing and the debt is increasing - so again - what makes you so proud of this achievement?

 

 

See Robin-H's post. I think you fundamentally don't understand the relationship between deficit and debt.

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2 hours ago, Robin-H said:

But they still achieved it in the end. I think that’s the more substantive point. I’m not really bothered that it took longer than they originally thought (things always do) but I do think it was important that the deficit was brought down. 

At the expense of a massive expansion of debt, way beyond what was projected.

 

You can see the result of this on the letter with your tax code (for those of us who actually work) for the coming year.

 

The how your tax was spent in 2017-18 breakdown on my letter shows £855 of the £14,020 tax and NICs I paid was spent on national debt interest. 

 

As a contrast my contribution to the EU budget was £98

 

To make things even worse the profile of debt changed quickly under Osborne, with a big increase in debt held overseas (rather than domestically) exposing our public finances more and more year on year to the volatility of global markets.

 

The Tories massively screwed it up.

4 hours ago, Robin-H said:

How many times does it have to be explained that debt can’t go down until the deficit becomes a surplus. Don’t pretend that decreasing the deficit so successfully isn’t a success because the debt still grew. 

You think you’re being clever by stating this. You’re not being clever.

 

People understand the difference, and the also understand the massive annual overshoot on deficit reduction every single year for almost a decade.

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23 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Better to have an overly ambitious target and get close to it, than to set a low target and achieve it.

Indeed.

 

See Robin-H's post. I think you fundamentally don't understand the relationship between deficit and debt.

No, it’s not good to have an overly ambitious target when you rely on magical never tried before economic experiments to achieve it. An example is Osborne’s culling of infrastructure spend removing stimulus from the economy 2010-13 with a utterly mistaken belief that private enterprise would magically fill the void.

 

There are many other examples of how he directly or indirectly allowed demand to be taken out of the economy, all the way up until when he ran away in 2016

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On 21/02/2019 at 19:29, ECCOnoob said:

Horse crap.   Its backward thinking old fart "yorkies" still blaming Thatcher for anything and everything despite it being nearly 30 years after she left power who are dragging this area down to the bottom.

 

'Horse Crap as you like to say

Thatcher failed our manufacturing industries, empowered the banks, made us a 'financial centre', sold off OUR Gas, Electric, Buses, water and everything else that wasn't bolted down.

What was ours is now French, German, Russian or Chinese.

And we wonder why our GDP is rhubarb and our 'imports' are sky high.

I forgot that she sold off the 'Royal Mail' as well.

I ask you, Royal Mail no longe rRoyal.

Only Thatcher could besmirch our heritage in this manner.

I wish she was still alive so I could find her and f*rt right in her face.

What a cow...........................................

 

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On 21/02/2019 at 20:47, WiseOwl182 said:

Has it though? Really? You're deluded. The 1970s were surely much worse and generally living standards have only improved with time.

I notice people who disagree with me are quick to use derogatory terms like 'deluded' and 'horse crap'.

Please use 'mistaken' or similar, I don't insult or demean you Bozo's just because you disagree with me.

Damn! look what I've done now.

I'm behaving like I'm always right and no-one else should have an opinion.

I apologise, I'm better than that.

On 21/02/2019 at 20:47, WiseOwl182 said:

Has it though? Really? You're deluded. The 1970s were surely much worse and generally living standards have only improved with time.

Living standards improved?

Yep, most young 'uns can't afford to live.

They certainly can't afford anywhere of their own to live.

I take it 'you're alright Jack?'

Comfortably ensconced in your own house, nice car, nice and warm, decent job?

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