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Lol. Thats because he never makes any pledges!

 

Its all just mights, maybes and perhaps.

 

But he absolutely knew when he made those comments about student fees that it could and would be misconstrued.

This is also, lest we forget, the man who does nothing while his momentum fan club wishes rape and cancer on his enemies.

 

Man of decency and principles! Your having a laugh.

Come on, you know full well that every party has its idiots, do you think the Tory party or Ukip are any different?

Please back up your claim with facts that he does nothing.

As far as i am aware, every case that has been reported has to be investigated.

i would also like to add that any momentum member is not necessarily a labour party member

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We can go round and round in circles about what Corbyn might or might not have said or how competent he is as a leader but the elephant in the room is that if the guy is so unelectable, why the unprecedented personal campaign against him by his enemies?

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We can go round and round in circles about what Corbyn might or might not have said or how competent he is as a leader but the elephant in the room is that if the guy is so unelectable, why the unprecedented personal campaign against him by his enemies?

 

Because he's a sitting duck, knocking about with Hamas and continuing to give Diane Abbott a front line job. Blimey, when you keep such poor company our (consistently **** and often inaccurate) print media don't have to go through pages of policy (although his brexit policy would make interesting reading) to pick fault with it.

 

He's not coming up with anything massively new, just socialist staples and the rolling back of Tory and new labour policy. It would be far more sensible to keep those policies - if you really really think they're vote winners - and dispatch of carcrash comrade corbyn.

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We can go round and round in circles about what Corbyn might or might not have said or how competent he is as a leader but the elephant in the room is that if the guy is so unelectable, why the unprecedented personal campaign against him by his enemies?

 

Distraction

 

The Tories don’t even have to manufacture stories any more. Corbyn is available 24/7 whenever they need to bury other news.

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Lol. Thats because he never makes any pledges!

 

Its all just mights, maybes and perhaps.

 

But he absolutely knew when he made those comments about student fees that it could and would be misconstrued.

This is also, lest we forget, the man who does nothing while his momentum fan club wishes rape and cancer on his enemies.

 

Man of decency and principles! Your having a laugh.

 

He would not make a promise he couldn't keep, particularly when he doesn't know what shape the country will be in or what his priorities or budgets will be. He said he will look into it, and he will. And his priorities won't include hand outs and bungs for cronies.

 

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Because he's a sitting duck, knocking about with Hamas and continuing to give Diane Abbott a front line job. Blimey, when you keep such poor company our (consistently **** and often inaccurate) print media don't have to go through pages of policy (although his brexit policy would make interesting reading) to pick fault with it.

 

He's not coming up with anything massively new, just socialist staples and the rolling back of Tory and new labour policy. It would be far more sensible to keep those policies - if you really really think they're vote winners - and dispatch of carcrash comrade corbyn.

Actually I think he is, his National Investment banks for instance, is just one. As for 'socialist staples,' those are what we need and what the Tories have consistently undermined. Do you really think anyone but Corbyn would have put them back on the agenda? And more to the point have the determination to push them through?

 

He has the overwhelming support of many of the electorate, in spite of what the newspapers say. Could anyone else have garnered 60,000 new Labour members in just one week?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-gains-60000-new-members-following-attempted-coup-against-corbyn-a7112336.html

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He would not make a promise he couldn't keep, particularly when he doesn't know what shape the country will be in or what his priorities or budgets will be. He said he will look into it, and he will. And his priorities won't include hand outs and bungs for cronies.

 

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Actually I think he is, his National Investment banks for instance, is just one. As for 'socialist staples,' those are what we need and what the Tories have consistently undermined. Do you really think anyone but Corbyn would have put them back on the agenda? And more to the point have the determination to push them through?

 

He has the overwhelming support of many of the electorate, in spite of what the newspapers say. Could anyone else have garnered 60,000 new Labour members in just one week?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-gains-60000-new-members-following-attempted-coup-against-corbyn-a7112336.html

 

Either he has policies that the public like, in which case any left wing leader could have proposed them and got the same level of support, or you think he is coming up with absolutely unique policies that no one else could possible think off (a national investment not being one of those FYI)

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He would not make a promise he couldn't keep, particularly when he doesn't know what shape the country will be in or what his priorities or budgets will be. He said he will look into it, and he will. And his priorities won't include hand outs and bungs for cronies.

 

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Actually I think he is, his National Investment banks for instance, is just one. As for 'socialist staples,' those are what we need and what the Tories have consistently undermined. Do you really think anyone but Corbyn would have put them back on the agenda? And more to the point have the determination to push them through?

 

He has the overwhelming support of many of the electorate, in spite of what the newspapers say. Could anyone else have garnered 60,000 new Labour members in just one week?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-gains-60000-new-members-following-attempted-coup-against-corbyn-a7112336.html

 

Was that the week after he lost the no confidence vote?

 

If so I don't know of many tories who paid £3 to vote him back in as leader :wave:

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Carp all you like, I stand by all I've said, (except slip up: I should have said 'JC could be a very credible PM,' as you have pointed out.)

 

'Going back to the 70's' seems to be another of those derogatory Tory soundbites that pass into the lexicon without much thought or discussion. A lot of people regard the 70s with affection and certainly think they were an improvement on what's happening today.

 

I see no-one has much to say about the Tories adopting Labour policies as their own, or about the Labour manifesto in general. (And by the way, JC never promised to abolish Student fees.)

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17703483

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-student-loans-debt-manifesto-pledge-amnesty-cancel-tuition-fees-a7856161.html

Whether he did or didn't absolutely say he would abolish tuition fees, young voters including my own grandkids believed that it was the intention and voted Labour and even though I didn't, I can't fault them. They fell into the trap of believing politicians intentions.

It's often said that older people vote Tory, and likely true, I voted Labour from the mid 60s until Gordon Brown became PM and Labour opened the borders to Eastern Europeans to come here and claim benefits, a decision that's still having consequences now with brexit, if that hadn't happened I'm sure we would never have had a referendum or probably even not have been called for by the number of people that did.

I can see you're passionate about JC and what you think he can achieve, but I think I'm correct in saying there's never been a successful hard left government anywhere in the world.

Most of us are idealists when we're younger but as we grow older we become more of realists, and don't forget young people become middle aged and middle aged people become old people and perspectives are always changing.

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Whether he did or didn't absolutely say he would abolish tuition fees, young voters including my own grandkids believed that it was the intention and voted Labour and even though I didn't, I can't fault them. They fell into the trap of believing politicians intentions.

It's often said that older people vote Tory, and likely true, I voted Labour from the mid 60s until Gordon Brown became PM and Labour opened the borders to Eastern Europeans to come here and claim benefits, a decision that's still having consequences now with brexit, if that hadn't happened I'm sure we would never have had a referendum or probably even not have been called for by the number of people that did.

I can see you're passionate about JC and what you think he can achieve, but I think I'm correct in saying there's never been a successful hard left government anywhere in the world.

Most of us are idealists when we're younger but as we grow older we become more of realists, and don't forget young people become middle aged and middle aged people become old people and perspectives are always changing.

how do you know it was a trap? we do not know whether it would have been fulfilled or not, i honestly believe it would have ...

Do you honestly believe Corbyn's proposals are hard left? there is nothing Hard Left about it IMO, it's just basic socialist principles from which the labour party were formed, i think people have had far too may years of the Blairites era that they have actually forgot what the labour party principles are

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Whether he did or didn't absolutely say he would abolish tuition fees, young voters including my own grandkids believed that it was the intention and voted Labour and even though I didn't, I can't fault them. They fell into the trap of believing politicians intentions.

It's often said that older people vote Tory, and likely true, I voted Labour from the mid 60s until Gordon Brown became PM and Labour opened the borders to Eastern Europeans to come here and claim benefits, a decision that's still having consequences now with brexit, if that hadn't happened I'm sure we would never have had a referendum or probably even not have been called for by the number of people that did.

I can see you're passionate about JC and what you think he can achieve, but I think I'm correct in saying there's never been a successful hard left government anywhere in the world.

Most of us are idealists when we're younger but as we grow older we become more of realists, and don't forget young people become middle aged and middle aged people become old people and perspectives are always changing.

 

But he isn't that hard left! That has long been exagerated in the media with constant references to 'Comrade Corbyn' and 'Looney leftie' etc. His policies are no more far left than Germany, which has a successful economy, and he supports responsible capitalism. He just wants a system that is fairer to all, as it once was, and for Big Corporations and super-rich to pay their taxes.

 

What has happened however, is this country is now so far right to the point of Neo Liberalism, that anything less than 'doing it their way,' (out of which the few at the top have done very nicely thankyou, and want it to continue- at the cost of everyone else,) is portrayed as rabid communism.

 

Was the Labour Government that came up with the NHS 1946 a 'bunch of Looney Lefties?' Because that's how they would be portrayed now in the current media.

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But he isn't that hard left! That has long been exagerated in the media with constant references to 'Comrade Corbyn' and 'Looney leftie' etc. His policies are no more far left than Germany, which has a successful economy, and he supports responsible capitalism. He just wants a system that is fairer to all, as it once was, and for Big Corporations and super-rich to pay their taxes.

 

What has happened however, is this country is now so far right to the point of Neo Liberalism, that anything less than 'doing it their way,' (out of which the few at the top have done very nicely thankyou, and want it to continue- at the cost of everyone else,) is portrayed as rabid communism.

 

Was the Labour Government that came up with the NHS 1946 a 'bunch of Looney Lefties,' because that's how they would be portrayed now in the current media.

Hard Left as you correctly say Anna is just a term to discredit him, its like all the other comments that his opponents give him, like Saint Corbyn, and Corbyn the messiah, its all very carefully done to very subtly undermine him, and it is picked up by the fools and parroted out at every opportunity, i dont know anyone who likes Corbyn that doesnt claim he is without his own faults, of course he has his faults, he is not perfect, but he is by far the best of a bad bunch.

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how do you know it was a trap? we do not know whether it would have been fulfilled or not, i honestly believe it would have ...

Do you honestly believe Corbyn's proposals are hard left? there is nothing Hard Left about it IMO, it's just basic socialist principles from which the labour party were formed, i think people have had far too may years of the Blairites era that they have actually forgot what the labour party principles are

Well, Anna said he never promised it, also her link says that, so we will never know.

Yes I do believe his policies are hard left, I personally don't believe nationalising things makes them better, having worked in the public sector for a while before going self employed I was amazed at the attitudes of a lot of people who worked there, it always struck me how much money was wasted and then like all public services moan about lack of funding.

Also overtaxing the wealthy will only lead to one thing, money will be moved to a less severe regime. I'm old enough to remember the 60s when I think I'm right in saying some people were paying up to 95 percent income tax and moved abroad, do you recall the Beatles song 'Taxman'?

Also it went a bit against the grain after working and paying income tax and NI for fifty years to see some families having kids for benefits with no intention of working.

The left are always bleating on about austerity and food banks but most of these people can afford the latest smart phones etc and are usually the fat families who will continue smoking and drinking.

So please excuse my scepticism about the left but I'm afraid like you I ain't going to change my opinion.

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