The Conservative Party - all discussion here please.

[-Boomer- 10]

Why would anyone be very worried indeed about being left alone?

 

Because you will not be left alone Snooper's Charter. Mind you, it's already happening without being officially implemented

[Obelix 11]

It'll actually be nearer 4% in 2019. When Labour left office it was 2%. Labour inherited 3.5%

 

The 80s are hardly a good reference point but let's go with it. Which party was in power?

 

Are you getting the picture?

 

What that Labour always leave the economy shot to s*** and the Conservatives have to come fix it yet again.

 

We all got that picture thanks that's why Labour didn't win the election we just had.

[Mister M 1,609]

I didn't know about this until I read it in today's paper:

 

A Tory Minister has resigned his seat after complaining that his £89,000 plus annual salary, and £28,000 for housing, and the £25,000 for his wife to run his office (totalling over £140,000 per year, not including other 'expenses') is 'insufficient' to maintain a normal family life.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/tory-minister-who-could-not-survive-on-salary-takes-role-with-private-health-firm

 

I wonder how he think the rest of us cope???

[truman 10]

I didn't know about this until I read it in today's paper:

 

A Tory Minister has resigned his seat after complaining that his £89,000 plus annual salary, and £28,000 for housing, and the £25,000 for his wife to run his office (totalling over £140,000 per year, not including other 'expenses') is 'insufficient' to maintain a normal family life.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/tory-minister-who-could-not-survive-on-salary-takes-role-with-private-health-firm

 

I wonder how he think the rest of us cope???

 

The story is about a year old and,I think,been done on here before...

Edited May 15, 2015 by truman

[mossdog 10]

Because you will not be left alone Snooper's Charter. Mind you, it's already happening without being officially implemented

..........you mean someone will follow you and know all about you,where you live etc................that's shocking!

[MikeFrank 10]

I didn't know about this until I read it in today's paper:

 

A Tory Minister has resigned his seat after complaining that his £89,000 plus annual salary, and £28,000 for housing, and the £25,000 for his wife to run his office (totalling over £140,000 per year, not including other 'expenses') is 'insufficient' to maintain a normal family life.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/tory-minister-who-could-not-survive-on-salary-takes-role-with-private-health-firm

 

I wonder how he think the rest of us cope???

 

Are we in for an early by election?

 

Oh its an old story.. never mind.

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

Are we in for an early by election?

But who would seek any job without knowing, in advance of beginning work, the terms and conditions that apply?

[evil woman 10]

Because you will not be left alone Snooper's Charter. Mind you, it's already happening without being officially implemented

 

..........you mean someone will follow you and know all about you,where you live etc................that's shocking!

 

That's terrible. That's what you expected in East Germany in the days of the Stassi. What do they think this is the Soviet Republic of South Yorkshire?

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

That's terrible. That's what you expected in East Germany in the days of the Stassi. What do they think this is the Soviet Republic of South Yorkshire?

Error in your quotation: you mean 'the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire'!

[evil woman 10]

The story is about a year old and,I think,been done on here before...

 

Yep. A bit like David Miliband clearing off to work for a charitable organisation for £250,00/year. Just imagine capable people being so tight that they look to be paid for their services.

 

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Error in your quotation: you mean 'the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire'!

 

Well if you like. I'm sure both apply if you scratch the surface.

[I1L2T3 10]

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£60bn = 4% of UK GDP by 2019?

 

The UK GDP is going to shrink by half to £1.5tn over the next 4 years?

 

That's quite a claim, do you mind providing a source for it?

The Conservatives since 1979. Who had inherited the basket case of Europe, after the Winter of Discontent, lest we forget.

 

Over an extended period spanning the above, debt as % of GDP shows a consistent reduction, from 1974 (59.7%) through to 1993 (39.6%), against a consistent increase of the debt from 1974 (£53.7bn) to 1993 (£248.2bn)[source, from the Guardian btw].

 

Simple translation: over that period the UK got in business again, earning the right to borrow and spend ever more. There's a useful at-a-glance table summary on Thatcher's Wiki page here about the Tory's financial performance over the 1979-1990 period.

 

I'm not interested in political tit-for-tat, I'm just looking at the figures. Doesn't matter who's in power: when the figures are bad, they need turning around and improving. When the figures are good, then we have the luxury of politicking about how best to spend the fat.

 

Historically, the Tories do a lot of hoarding (it's all in the name: Conservatives), Labour does a lot of spending. Nothing more needs to be said about it, and that's not a criticism btw. It's just the nature of the politico-democratic beast: people tire of privations and want to splurge/party every now and then. Then the piper eventually needs to be paid. Rinse-repeat.

I'm getting your spin picture, alright

 

I'm not working hard to spin anything, all my comments are based on the ONS and OBR figures and Parliamentary reports, the horse's mouth insofar as the nation's finances are concerned. They're public domain and readily/easily accessible by all.

 

But I guess you're going to tell me next that you don't believe the ONS/OBR?

That's if you believe that choking a moribund manufacturing economy on life support to turn it into a knowledge/services economy was a bad thing. I don't recall many crying in their soup about it in the 90s and 00s when they were enjoying the payback of that policy. In fact, I seem to recall a lot of praise from all political corners about it, with the benefit of hindsight.

 

Here. Is the source for the debt interest as a % of GDP

 

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/

 

So, if since 1974 the debt has been falling then why are you are you and so many others working so hard to portray Labour's record as so poor. Especially given that the Tory record is really no better, perhaps worse.

 

You can't claim to be nonpolitical mate because your agenda is patently heavily loaded. I didn't vote for either of the main parties by the way, My agenda admittedly is loaded and about highlighting all the mistakes both have made, and as the Tories are in power I'm focusing on them. Their economic policies are on the whole disastrous. Ruinous.

 

You weren't here in the early to mid 80s were you. Be honest. If you were you would understand. Try telling the half-destroyed communities round here that the Tories made things better.

 

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What that Labour always leave the economy shot to s*** and the Conservatives have to come fix it yet again.

 

We all got that picture thanks that's why Labour didn't win the election we just had.

 

I don't think your argument Tories always good, Labour big bad bogeymen argument will stand scrutiny. They're both crap.

 

But let's try it. Tories:

 

What happened to all the oil revenue

 

Why have the Tories doubled our debt

 

ERM, 1992 crash, 15.5% interest rates

 

1987 crash

 

3 million on the dole queue

 

Maudling

 

Deflation

 

Gold standard

 

0.5% interest rates

 

Could go on all night..........

 

They are a disaster for our country. Just like Labour.

Edited May 15, 2015 by I1L2T3

[loraward 10]

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Here. Is the source for the debt interest as a % of GDP

 

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/334/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/

 

So, if since 1974 the debt has been falling then why are you are you and so many others working so hard to portray Labour's record as so poor. Especially given that the Tory record is really no better, perhaps worse.

 

You can't claim to be nonpolitical mate because your agenda is patently heavily loaded. I didn't vote for either of the main parties by the way, My agenda admittedly is loaded and about highlighting all the mistakes both have made, and as the Tories are in power I'm focusing on them. Their economic policies are on the whole disastrous. Ruinous.

 

You weren't here in the early to mid 80s were you. Be honest. If you were you would understand. Try telling the half-destroyed communities round here that the Tories made things better.

 

---------- Post added 15-05-2015 at 19:15 ----------

 

 

I don't think your argument Tories always good, Labour big bad bogeymen argument will stand scrutiny. They're both crap.

 

But let's try it. Tories:

 

What happened to all the oil revenue

 

Why have the Tories doubled our debt

 

ERM, 1992 crash, 15.5% interest rates

 

1987 crash

 

3 million on the dole queue

 

Maudling

 

Deflation

 

Gold standard

 

0.5% interest rates

 

Could go on all night..........

 

They are a disaster for our country. Just like Labour.

 

What you are failing to consider is the indisputable fact that when the Tories enter government, its after Labour ruined the country and the economy is failing, and by the time the Tories have turned it around the electorate vote Labour back in to a growing economy. So Labour start on an high and end up on a low and the Tories always start on a low and end on an high.