The Conservative Party - all discussion here please.

[ubermaus 10]

We haven't had full out austerity. Not by a very, very long country mile. Even if Osbourne does all of what he wants to do and cuts £60bn over the next 5 years (he won't), we'll still be a long way from full out austerity.

 

Many (most?) Greek civil servants haven't been paid in months. The Irish civil servants 'only' had to go with a 25% salary haircut. That's full out austerity (at developed/Western EU scale).

 

And the greeks rejected austerity and appointed a socialist govt

 

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How has Austerity affected you personally?

 

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Maybe this is why they have stopped their legal action to return the elgin marbles. Which we should give back I think.

 

Family members...why?

 

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The loony left seem to think austerity is happening for **** and giggles but no-one wants austerity.

 

Austerity isn't good when applied to a healthy economy but it is a necessary evil for an economy that has been tinkered with by people that don't know what they are doing.

 

When the Tories have balanced the books, sold the NHS and finished beating the poor then I'm sure that they will get spending money on re-introducing fox hunting and gold-plated offices for themselves, but until then we have to sit tight.

 

We dont need austerity. Its fake

[-Boomer- 10]

Yes they did, but the BBC is different. Its run by a trust for the people of the UK. British Steel etc (inc Royal Mail) were owned by the British Government.

 

So why are the tories whinging about the BBC?

[I1L2T3 10]

So why are the tories whinging about the BBC?

 

Because they can't tolerate criticism. They also probably think the BBC should be run commercially. And they hope that if it becomes commercially run, perhaps under the control of supporters, then the output will become as pro-Tory as most of the other privately owned media.

 

It's kinda fascist.

[ubermaus 10]

Oh this did make me smile..

 

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/labours-path-back-power-tougher-you-think

A swing like 1997 would be a majority of 71. I

[L00b 441]

And the greeks rejected austerity and appointed a socialist govt

How's that working out for them, again?

 

They can wish it away all they want with a socialist Gvt, even a radical one at that - doesn't make the fact that they're beyond flat broke after years of hard partying and budgetary excesses go away.

 

Your radical socialist Gvt is still not paying and homing/feeding its employees either, by the way.

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[ultracynic 10]

The BBC should be run commercially.

 

Sick of paying TV tax.

[I1L2T3 10]

How's that working out for them, again?

 

They can wish it away all they want with a socialist Gvt, even a radical one at that - doesn't make the fact that they're beyond flat broke after years of hard partying and budgetary excesses go away.

 

Your radical socialist Gvt is still not paying and homing/feeding its employees either, by the way.

 

And yet our right wing government took our national debt past £1.5tn recently.

 

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The BBC should be run commercially.

 

Sick of paying TV tax.

 

It won't a criminal offence not to pay it soon

[ubermaus 10]

How's that working out for them, again?

 

They can wish it away all they want with a socialist Gvt, even a radical one at that - doesn't make the fact that they're beyond flat broke after years of hard partying and budgetary excesses go away.

 

Your radical socialist Gvt is still not paying and homing/feeding its employees either, by the way.

 

I dont advocate any socialist gov, just stating a fact.

The previous right wing gov put them in this mess, again stating a fact.

Austerity to extremes is not popular, socially devisive and the economics behind it dubious to say the least. Investment is required.

 

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Taxation is needed...

[-Boomer- 10]

David Cameron said, “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'”

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html

 

Be very worried indeed

[L00b 441]

I dont advocate any socialist gov, just stating a fact.

The previous right wing gov put them in this mess, again stating a fact.

Austerity to extremes is not popular, socially devisive and the economics behind it dubious to say the least. Investment is required.

 

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Taxation is needed...

It's existed all the time, andthat's the understatement of the day, so far as Greece is concerned.

 

Rampant avoidance & evasion were part and parcel of that 'hard partying' I was on about, and since every Greek and his dog were at it, and still are (carting suitcases of cash to Switzerland and elsewhere to this day, and that all the way down to lower middle class and less), they've only got themselves to blame -and pay- for it.

 

And on that record and basis, plus their current radical left Gvt, I don't think I need to expand at all about their chances of securing any investment from anyone, any time soon.

 

Not laughing at their (self-imposed) misfortune here, just stating facts and opining objectively.

 

Surprise, surprise: he who calls the tune, pays the piper. Who'd have thought?

And yet our right wing government took our national debt past £1.5tn recently.

I wonder which Gvt imparted the initial momentum to that one, and left sod all in the coffers to take care of at least the interest?

 

That would be the sum total of the UK Gvt's commitments and obligations to term, right? Including those not due for another 10, 20,...50 years or so? Like Joe Bloggs on £75k who just started a £200k mortgage this year not due for payment for another 25 years? Must we yet again explain why this 'scary' figure is anything but?

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[I1L2T3 10]

It's existed all the time, andthat's the understatement of the day, so far as Greece is concerned.

 

Rampant avoidance & evasion were part and parcel of that 'hard partying' I was on about, and since every Greek and his dog were at it, and still are (carting suitcases of cash to Switzerland and elsewhere to this day, and that all the way down to lower middle class and less), they've only got themselves to blame -and pay- for it.

 

And on that record and basis, plus their current radical left Gvt, I don't think I need to expand at all about their chances of securing any investment from anyone, any time soon.

 

Not laughing at their (self-imposed) misfortune here, just stating facts and opining objectively.

 

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I wonder which Gvt imparted the initial momentum to that one, and left sod all in the coffers to take care of at least the interest?

 

That would be the sum total of the UK Gvt's commitments and obligations to term, right? Including those not due for another 10, 20,...50 years or so? Like Joe Bloggs on £75k who just started a £200k mortgage this year not due for payment for another 25 years? Must we yet again explain why this 'scary' figure is anything but?

 

Show me a Tory government that consistently run a surplus since 1979. Then I might take the tired and weak argument about Labour not saving for a rainy day a tad more seriously. No government for decades has run a surplus consistently. None of them.

 

Yes the debt is well structured and managed which is about the only positive. But still by 2019 we'll be paying £60bn a year in interest on it by which time the Tories are on target to almost treble the debt during their 10 years in power. Considering the deficit was supposed to be gone by now that is an appalling performance.

 

If it isn't scary then why complain about Labour adding to it after the crisis to fund bailouts and cover lost revenue? At least they had more justification.

 

Tories = Debt Deniers.

[Jonny5 10]

David Cameron said, “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'”

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/britain-is-too-tolerant-and-should-interfere-more-in-peoples-lives-says-david-cameron-10246517.html

 

Be very worried indeed

How long do you think it will be until they come after you? Have you already started stockpiling cans in the woods for when you have to go incognito?

 

Can't believe that its come to this. We are all going to be tortured and die at the hands of a man named Dave