First strike first

[erebus 10]

On the basis of a potential threat by an state, country, nation a first strike capability so the idea goes, will remove that threat. This was demonstrated in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and they are no longer a threat, although who they were a threat to with the benefit of hindsight is questionable, but its legality is unquestionable, as no individual or nation has faced legal problems.

 

Taking this scenario a bit further, one can or could make accusations against any state for any reasons if one had the backing of the media. More recently Russia, CHina and let us not forget Iran are in the crosshairs, as not just a potential threat but a threat to certain interests.

 

Some people think it is time to use the first strike mechanism using the nuclear option against such potential threats, but such a decision requires planning. The flaw in such a decision is that if one attacks a state on a first strike basis, there is the possibility that they will return like for like, which is self defeating. In order to neutralize such a scenario it was decided that a defense strategy to destroy missiles was necessary. This strategy is being slowly finalised, as Russia, Iran, and China are now surrounded by this defense system, thus neutralising the potential blow back.

 

When the defense strategy is complete, the potential threats can be addressed. We know that potential threats are just that, regardless of the evidence, as asking questions after the event, as in Iraq, legitimizes the action. This suggests might is right, and what wrong is perpetrated is trivial, and changes nothing.

 

the idea of using nuclear action is popular with powerful sections of influence. Is this right, should we allow this sort of action to be taken on our behalf? We can do nothing about it, so if it was instigated we would just have to allow as we have no say on such decision processes.

 

Choose your references: just type in.......exercise global lightning...and enjoy the fantasy.

[DeathAxe 10]

Thought you meant the bus company then. Phew.

[Glennis 15]

Thought you meant the bus company then. Phew.

 

and me for a moment.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

Another one hear that thought we were in for a bus strike. Maybe now we know that we're not maybe we can close this thread?

[tinfoilhat 11]

So is there going to be a strategic bus strike in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya?

[Harleyman 12]

On the basis of a potential threat by an state, country, nation a first strike capability so the idea goes, will remove that threat. This was demonstrated in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya and they are no longer a threat, although who they were a threat to with the benefit of hindsight is questionable, but its legality is unquestionable, as no individual or nation has faced legal problems.

 

Taking this scenario a bit further, one can or could make accusations against any state for any reasons if one had the backing of the media. More recently Russia, CHina and let us not forget Iran are in the crosshairs, as not just a potential threat but a threat to certain interests.

 

Some people think it is time to use the first strike mechanism using the nuclear option against such potential threats, but such a decision requires planning. The flaw in such a decision is that if one attacks a state on a first strike basis, there is the possibility that they will return like for like, which is self defeating. In order to neutralize such a scenario it was decided that a defense strategy to destroy missiles was necessary. This strategy is being slowly finalised, as Russia, Iran, and China are now surrounded by this defense system, thus neutralising the potential blow back.

 

When the defense strategy is complete, the potential threats can be addressed. We know that potential threats are just that, regardless of the evidence, as asking questions after the event, as in Iraq, legitimizes the action. This suggests might is right, and what wrong is perpetrated is trivial, and changes nothing.

 

the idea of using nuclear action is popular with powerful sections of influence. Is this right, should we allow this sort of action to be taken on our behalf? We can do nothing about it, so if it was instigated we would just have to allow as we have no say on such decision processes.

 

Choose your references: just type in.......exercise global lightning...and enjoy the fantasy.

 

Your paranoid fantasies at work again. Dr Evil and his inner circle manipulating your usual bad guy towards a nuclear holocaust. :hihi:

 

On the highlighted section. Every fool knows about AMD (assured mutual destruction) so why the elementary school teacher lecture on the subject?

[speedy69 10]

Can anyone tell me where the first bus to Afghanistan stops in Pond Street?

 

 

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On the highlighted section. Every fool knows about AMD (assured mutual destruction) so why the elementary school teacher lecture on the subject?

 

That may not be the case any more. NATO has Russia encircled with high tech anti missile thingymibobs (that's the technical term, lol) so any western bound nuclear missile from Russia probably wouldn't get the chance to leave Russia before it was blown out of the sky.

[JFKvsNixon 11]

That may not be the case any more. NATO has Russia encircled with high tech anti missile thingymibobs (that's the technical term, lol) so any western bound nuclear missile from Russia probably wouldn't get the chance to leave Russia before it was blown out of the sky.

 

Cruise missiles and submarine launched missiles would still get through even if your imaginary missile shield worked completely.

[Harleyman 12]

That may not be the case any more. NATO has Russia encircled with high tech anti missile thingymibobs (that's the technical term, lol) so any western bound nuclear missile from Russia probably wouldn't get the chance to leave Russia before it was blown out of the sky.

 

The only scenario leading to a possible nuclear war would be if Putin was mad enough to start making a military move against such countries as Poland Hungary and the Baltic States but Putin is definitely not insane either. The only "warfare" in the future is even more sanctions against Russia in relation to the happenings in the Ukraine with counter sanctions by Russia against it's EU trading partners. Well over 400 billion in trade between Russia and the EU last year. The economic pain will be felt by both sides.

 

High tech thingymibobs are just all psychological power plays. A nuclear war or strike against Russia would be a complete and utter disaster for the whole of Europe the US and the rest of the world

Edited May 15, 2014 by Harleyman

[Mikes10 10]

I reckon the next world war could start by accident as depicted in:

 

'The Bedford Incident' 1965 featuring Richard Widmark, James MacArthur, Eric Portman

 

An 'Hard as Nails' Captain of an American warship, chasing a Russian submarine during the Cold war

 

Scene: Warship Bridge

Players: Captain Finlander,

German Commodore Schrepke- as an observer,

Ensign Ralston- in charge of the Missile Fire Control Panel

 

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "You have to stop this action Captain or you will force him to fire"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "So you think he's going to fire at us do you!"

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "I would if I were in his place, and so would you"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "Fire Control!"

 

Ensign Ralston: "Sir?"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "Arm number one ASROC" [ ASROC: anti-submarine rocket ]

 

Ensign Ralston: "Aye, Aye Sir... ... Number One ASROC armed and ready Sir"

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "Captain you are a fool!"

 

Ensign Ralston: "All systems in automatic control sir, weapons armed and ready, fire-control A-OK Sir"

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "Are you insane?"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "Don't worry Commodore the Bedford will never fire first... ...But if he fires 1, I'll fire 1"

 

Ensign Ralston: "Fire one".

 

ASROC number one is launched, Captain lunges towards the fire control panel

 

clip

Edited May 15, 2014 by Mikes10

[Harleyman 12]

I reckon the next world war could start by accident as depicted in:

 

'The Bedford Incident' 1965 featuring Richard Widmark, James MacArthur, Eric Portman

 

An 'Hard as Nails' Captain of an American warship, chasing a Russian submarine during the Cold war

 

Scene: Warship Bridge

Players: Captain Finlander,

German Commodore Schrepke- as an observer,

Ensign Ralston- in charge of the Missile Fire Control Panel

 

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "You have to stop this action Captain or you will force him to fire"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "So you think he's going to fire at us do you!"

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "I would if I were in his place, and so would you"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "Fire Control!"

 

Ensign Ralston: "Sir?"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "Arm number one ASROC" [ ASROC: anti-submarine rocket ]

 

Ensign Ralston: "Aye, Aye Sir... ... Number One ASROC armed and ready Sir"

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "Captain you are a fool!"

 

Ensign Ralston: "All systems in automatic control sir, weapons armed and ready, fire-control A-OK Sir"

 

Commodore Wolfgang Schrepke: "Are you insane?"

 

Captain Eric Finlander: "Don't worry Commodore the Bedford will never fire first... ...But if he fires 1, I'll fire 1"

 

Ensign Ralston: "Fire one".

 

ASROC number one is launched, Captain lunges towards the fire control panel

 

clip

 

Obviously such Hollywood fantasies seem to make a deep impression on you

 

Next on your must watch list "Dr Strangelove or how I learned to stop worrying and love the Bomb" vintage 1962 movie starring Peter Sellers

 

That should really blow your mind