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The remnants of the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire are still hindering progress. Until we have forward thinking business minded people in charge of the city instead of the usual bloated PC obsessed lefties that still think they are fighting capitalism.

 

 

I think half of them have senile dementia they are that old. It's about time we had some new blood in the council. Until we do this city will continue to go downhill.

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Please tell.

 

You can check the car park locations and tariffs here: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads/travel/driving/parking/city-centre/car-parks.html

 

The cheaper ones are around the Inner Relief Road and the Wicker areas.

 

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So is it job done then? Do you think Sheffield handles traffic better than every other city or do you think there are others that do it better?

 

Every city is different. Topography plays a big part and so does the way in which the city centre developed over the years.

 

I'd say compared to some other places I've visited, overall traffic congestion in Sheffield isn't as bad.

 

There's also perceptions. A lot of people find Leeds difficult to navigate. Others don't. Some people think Sheffield difficult to navigate by car. I find it easy, so do many others.

 

They all seem fairly similar to me, they have ring roads, arterial routes, similar parking restrictions.

 

Sheffield has less high capacity roads (dual carriageways) than some other cities. Probably because car ownership was fairly low here in the heyday of road construction in the 60's / 70's / 80's

 

I'd say compared to some other places I've visited, overall traffic congestion in Sheffield isn't as bad.

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Well Harryh I read through your first essay which raises some interesting points but couldn't be bothered with the second have you considered writing a bit more succinctly, to coin a previous phrase. You do come across as a bit ranting to be honest.

 

You talk about "self improvement" and "betterment" but do seem to reduce this purely to money affairs as if that's the only thing that matters. Certain of your other phrases "state mediocrity" "bureaucratically stifling" "dynamic entrepreneurism" exaggerations such as "hire 20 parking attendants to patrol a sleepy residential street" "students that necked a bottle of cider" You also argue for "some minimal state regulation" with a lighter touch presumably to encourage "dynamism". The only things missing were the phrases "gold plated pensions" "PC brigade". You do come across as a bit Daily Mail and"white van man" (my emphasis). You probably think the Daily Mail is a good read !

 

We all know where light regulation got us don't we ? Groups like the Institute for Economic Affairs are always pushing the Thatcherite agenda, "leave it to the market", "taxation is robbery", get rid of the NHS etc,

Wonder where the RBS would be without state intervention ?

 

Why are you even in Sheffield surely you must have known it was the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire ?

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As someone who works in the sector and lives in one of the aforementioned cities, I'll chuck my two pennies worth in. Sheffield Council are dinosaurs. That's the unfortunate perception in the rest of the North. They are far to enmeshed in party politics to actually look at the bigger picture. When the cuts came, Sheffield's "top brass" spent most of their time pontificating about Thatcher et al. Leeds went out of their way to engage with business with the aim to attract new investment.

 

There's no forward thinking - why haven't SCC made serious steps to roll out the Supertram to other parts of the city? The traffic is terrible.

 

This isn't a Tory bashing Labour (again its NOT about party politics Sheffield), Leeds Council aren't universally Tory. This is about recognising a Council that aren't fit for purpose.

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Leeds economy is more service sector based and Sheffield more industrial and manufacturing. I've spent time in both cities lately and much prefer Sheffield

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The fact that we're actually discussing parking in a thread like just demonstrates how insular Sheffield is. To attract new employers, entrepreneurs and other investors we don't need to fix parking, Sheffield needs to demonstrate that it's open for business and investing in local people and skills. For instance if a company like Ikea or Next wants to open up in Sheffield then they should be welcomed with open arms, even if their proposal doesn't meet every criteria or coincide with the 'masterplan' of the politburo.

 

The fact that people think its soemthing to do with parking really shows how much you dont see.

 

Smiggs points out the real reason. Sheffield is not as prosperous as somewhere like Leeds. It is not due to parking. If you are propserous, then you have higher employment rates, higher net incomes and more of that money is spent locally. Sort that out and all the good things will follow like more jobs, shops and local services.

 

I think you overestimate the power of the Council, but in hindsight the response at coming up with the Student games was a disaster.

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Well Harryh I read through your first essay which raises some interesting points but couldn't be bothered with the second have you considered writing a bit more succinctly, to coin a previous phrase. You do come across as a bit ranting to be honest.

 

You talk about "self improvement" and "betterment" but do seem to reduce this purely to money affairs as if that's the only thing that matters. Certain of your other phrases "state mediocrity" "bureaucratically stifling" "dynamic entrepreneurism" exaggerations such as "hire 20 parking attendants to patrol a sleepy residential street" "students that necked a bottle of cider" You also argue for "some minimal state regulation" with a lighter touch presumably to encourage "dynamism". The only things missing were the phrases "gold plated pensions" "PC brigade". You do come across as a bit Daily Mail and"white van man" (my emphasis). You probably think the Daily Mail is a good read !

 

We all know where light regulation got us don't we ? Groups like the Institute for Economic Affairs are always pushing the Thatcherite agenda, "leave it to the market", "taxation is robbery", get rid of the NHS etc,

Wonder where the RBS would be without state intervention ?

 

Why are you even in Sheffield surely you must have known it was the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire ?

 

 

You're completely wrong and misguided - very easy to play a stereotype. Some of my comments are tongue and cheek, however anyone with any commercial experience in Sheffield should recognised the issues I am raising and the broader issues at a national level.

 

I am not interested in the daily mail - I rather see, observe and learn by creating businesses and dealing with people from all manner of backgrounds and countries.

 

What you argue about in your last section is exactly what I oppose - CRONY CAPITALISM where by vested interests have power!

 

Wake up!

 

---------- Post added 19-02-2014 at 14:09 ----------

 

whether it's vested interest from people in the public sector, the banking industry or the energy industry it is all the same. This creates distortions and is bad for us.

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Fybby i though we had the sam discussion just last month over and over again. Its not as syccessful or prosperous as it might be but its just a place to live for me. Other places that are propserous also have their fair share of problems, so its not something i worry about. It would be nice if there were more major employers, but there arent.

 

I think people overestimate the power of the council.

 

On the contrary, I think people underestimate the power of the council. Speaking as a a householder who had planning refused, I later found that one of the main objectors was a neighbour (unaffected by the plans we submitted) who admitted afterwards to launching a campaign to get ours plans rejected, simply because, and I quote, 'I used to be on the planning committee, in fact I was chairman for a year, and I know how to get these things done'. Probably not pertinent to this particular thread but it still rankles after 10 years, especially when the council 4 years later sold the toilets adjacent to my property and allowed the builder that purchased them to do basically what we had wanted. I'm afraid it leaves me very cynical where the council is involved.

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You can check the car park locations and tariffs here: https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/roads/travel/driving/parking/city-centre/car-parks.html

 

The cheaper ones are around the Inner Relief Road and the Wicker areas.

 

---------- Post added 19-02-2014 at 09:21 ----------

 

 

Every city is different. Topography plays a big part and so does the way in which the city centre developed over the years.

 

I'd say compared to some other places I've visited, overall traffic congestion in Sheffield isn't as bad.

 

There's also perceptions. A lot of people find Leeds difficult to navigate. Others don't. Some people think Sheffield difficult to navigate by car. I find it easy, so do many others.

 

They all seem fairly similar to me, they have ring roads, arterial routes, similar parking restrictions.

 

Sheffield has less high capacity roads (dual carriageways) than some other cities. Probably because car ownership was fairly low here in the heyday of road construction in the 60's / 70's / 80's

 

I'd say compared to some other places I've visited, overall traffic congestion in Sheffield isn't as bad.

 

Less high capacity roads you say? That's probay why it takes me more time to get round Sheffield than it does Leeds, Manchester (sometimes) and Nottingham. It's better IMHO than Birmingham or London and even Leicester but that isn't hard.

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Less high capacity roads you say? That's probay why it takes me more time to get round Sheffield than it does Leeds, Manchester (sometimes) and Nottingham. It's better IMHO than Birmingham or London and even Leicester but that isn't hard.

 

The 2012 Congestion Index, published by TomTom, these figures show how much longer the average journey time is compared to free flowing traffic:

 

Belfast 32.1%

 

Bristol 31.0%

 

London 27.5%

 

Leeds/Bradford 26.2%

 

Nottingham 24.4%

 

Manchester 24.2%

 

Sheffield 23.0%

 

Birmingham 21.6%

 

Liverpool 21.4%

 

Newcastle 20.9%

 

Glasgow 18.3%

 

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The blame has to fall squarely on the shoulders of the council im afraid, more specifically the councillors. They have consistently let the people of Sheffield down and because of the city's socialist past they are allowed to get away with it time and time again.

 

They need to have some ambition and not spend all their time pointlessly bickering.

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The 2012 Congestion Index, published by TomTom, these figures show how much longer the average journey time is compared to free flowing traffic:

 

Belfast 32.1%

 

Bristol 31.0%

 

London 27.5%

 

Leeds/Bradford 26.2%

 

Nottingham 24.4%

 

Manchester 24.2%

 

Sheffield 23.0%

 

Birmingham 21.6%

 

Liverpool 21.4%

 

Newcastle 20.9%

 

Glasgow 18.3%

 

---------- Post added 19-02-2014 at 14:47 ----------

 

The blame has to fall squarely on the shoulders of the council.

 

They're interesting figures - I'm surprised they combined Leeds and Bradford - I've always found Bradford was awful.

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