Labour warned over serious UKIP threat

[skinz 10]

I couldnt vote labour unless it changes its immigration stance,they just open the doors,this mess is all their creation.

UKIP for me,lets start sending them ALL back.immigrants are just a drain,and theyve bled us dry for decades,all our tax dollars are wrinsed on benefits to foriegners that have barely contributed.

labour have flooded the uk with immigrants.

 

 

More chance of winning the ashes in 2015.

[Ash Tray 10]

Unless you can provide hard evidence and facts to back up what you have wrote,it is just fact free opinion........here's a clue,facts have backed up the exact opposite of what you have written

 

Where I worked statisticians proved that making me do 40% less work each day was an improvement in efficiency.

 

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Originally Posted by staninoodle View Post

I couldnt vote labour unless it changes its immigration stance,they just open the doors,this mess is all their creation.

UKIP for me,lets start sending them ALL back.immigrants are just a drain,and theyve bled us dry for decades,all our tax dollars are wrinsed on benefits to foriegners that have barely contributed.

labour have flooded the uk with immigrants.

 

 

More chance of winning the ashes in 2015.

 

The thing is that the more votes UKIP pick up in by elections the more the other parties take heed of peoples concerns.

[dosxuk 10]

The thing is that the more votes UKIP pick up in by elections the more the other parties take heed of peoples concerns.

 

If only it worked like that.

 

The more votes UKIP takes off the Tories, the happier Labour will be. They won't care about people's concerns, they'll just accept the widening gulf.

[Ash Tray 10]

If only it worked like that.

 

The more votes UKIP takes off the Tories, the happier Labour will be. They won't care about people's concerns, they'll just accept the widening gulf.

Whatever anyones views UKIP have stimulated a great deal of thought by saying what many think.

[dosxuk 10]

Whatever anyones views UKIP have stimulated a great deal of thought by saying what many think.

 

Unfortunately, most of it's uninformed drivel from the lower classes wanting someone to blame for their own misfortune.

[Ash Tray 10]

Unfortunately, most of it's uninformed drivel from the lower classes wanting someone to blame for their own misfortune.

Typical response from those running scared:loopy:.

[dosxuk 10]

Typical response from those running scared:loopy:.

 

Not really, just an honest opinion of the situation. Hardly anything from the "pro-UKIP" camp on here makes logical sense. Just today, two of UKIP's biggest supporters on here have said that the EU want to reduce independent countries by making them independent, and that anyone who doesn't think like themselves should be deported.

 

Hardly the words of normal, sane, stable people which make up the majority of the country.

 

At least in 15 months it'll all be over, Farage won't be PM, and if UKIP are lucky, they might have one MP. It'll be back to nobody caring about a word they say again. Until 2019 anyway.

[Tommo68 10]

BNIB

Unfortunately, most of it's uninformed drivel from the lower classes wanting someone to blame for their own misfortune.

 

Sorry I don't agree. UKIP at least have the courage to say what a lot of people wish their mainstream favourites dare not.

 

By raising some of these issues they at least get talked about, and more people feel able to express their views. which in turn encourages mare people to think. Hopefully some are thinking if we don't like the way things are maybe we should get someone to change them.

 

Immigration, asylum seekers, foreign workers, the role of parents, to continue EU membership or not, the role of government and many others. I'm not saying UKIP will ever, or that they wont ever, be in a position to legislate or influence policy themselves but maybe they might make others do so.

[SevenRivers 10]

Unfortunately, most of it's uninformed drivel from the lower classes wanting someone to blame for their own misfortune.

 

UKIP are doing well because of your blind ignorance (and that of LibLabCon) of how immigration actually affects working class areas.

 

I'm sure you've seen and heard all about the problems caused by the Roma at Page Hall. But what would the people that actually live there know about it eh? They're obviously speaking uninformed drivel.

[Zamo 10]

Unless you can provide hard evidence and facts to back up what you have wrote,it is just fact free opinion........here's a clue,facts have backed up the exact opposite of what you have written

 

We had a similar arguement 15 years ago when people complained that there was too much immigration. But we were told it was just inate racism and were bombarded with enless official stats to show low legal immigration levels and complete denial of a problem with illegal immigration. But years later the truth outed and we now know that during the last Labour government we actually saw over 3 million immigrants arrive on our shores... what our eyes had been telling us proved to be right all along.

 

And here we are again. As we encounter immigrants (and the offspring of immigrants) as we go about our business we can judge how well they are doing by the work they do (or don't do), by where they live, by where they shop etc. And the evience of our eyes is that the vast majority are a long way short of reaching the top end of the wealth spectrum, which is where you need to be to make a net-positive contribution.

 

The fact is that (as a rough guide) only the 1/5th of earners within our population make a net-positive contribution. Another 1/5th break-even. And the bottom 3/5ths make a net-negative contribution to varying degrees and are effectively subsidised by the top 1/5th.

 

If people (immigrants or otherwise) working in cafes, serving in bars, driving a taxi or doing admin for the council, really did make a net-positive contribution then how the hell have we managed to build up a national debt in excess of £1 trillion?!? The fact is it is not truw. It is impossible. And this tells us the 'evidence' of a net-positive contribution must be spins. It is more lies.

 

No doubt the truth will out another 10 years or so but in the mean time there is a difference... people are keeping the faith with what eyes and common sense tell them... and that is why UKIP is gaining support.

[Ash Tray 10]

UKIP are doing well because of your blind ignorance (and that of LibLabCon) of how immigration actually affects working class areas.

 

I'm sure you've seen and heard all about the problems caused by the Roma at Page Hall. But what would the people that actually live there know about it eh? They're obviously speaking uninformed drivel.

 

Of course they are, surely you've already been told that.

 

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We had a similar arguement 15 years ago when people complained that there was too much immigration. But we were told it was just inate racism and were bombarded with enless official stats to show low legal immigration levels and complete denial of a problem with illegal immigration. But years later the truth outed and we now know that during the last Labour government we actually saw over 3 million immigrants arrive on our shores... what our eyes had been telling us proved to be right all along.

 

And here we are again. As we encounter immigrants (and the offspring of immigrants) as we go about our business we can judge how well they are doing by the work they do (or don't do), by where they live, by where they shop etc. And the evience of our eyes is that the vast majority are a long way short of reaching the top end of the wealth spectrum, which is where you need to be to make a net-positive contribution.

 

The fact is that (as a rough guide) only the 1/5th of earners within our population make a net-positive contribution. Another 1/5th break-even. And the bottom 3/5ths make a net-negative contribution to varying degrees and are effectively subsidised by the top 1/5th.

 

If people (immigrants or otherwise) working in cafes, serving in bars, driving a taxi or doing admin for the council, really did make a net-positive contribution then how the hell have we managed to build up a national debt in excess of £1 trillion?!? The fact is it is not truw. It is impossible. And this tells us the 'evidence' of a net-positive contribution must be spins. It is more lies.

 

No doubt the truth will out another 10 years or so but in the mean time there is a difference... people are keeping the faith with what eyes and common sense tell them... and that is why UKIP is gaining support.

 

Those in denial are probably the children and grandchildren of those who slagged off Enoch Powell, one of our last true statesmen.

[LeMaquis 10]

UKIP for me,lets start sending them ALL back.immigrants are just a drain,and theyve bled us dry for decades,all our tax dollars are wrinsed on benefits to foriegners that have barely contributed.

 

You are ignorant of UKIP's immigration policy. You seem to have confused it with that of the Third Reich. UKIP supports controlled immigration using a points system. It won't send them all back because if it did Nigel Farage would have to send his wife, one of his employees, back to Germany. The NHS would also lose a large proportion of its staff overnight.

 

If people (immigrants or otherwise) working in cafes, serving in bars, driving a taxi or doing admin for the council, really did make a net-positive contribution then how the hell have we managed to build up a national debt in excess of £1 trillion?!?

 

So immigration is responsible for the national debt? Even by your standards that's particularly mad. Immigrants do a lot more work than what you've listed, from Prince Philip to NHS nurses. I'd guess PP would be worth saving money on but not NHS staff from overseas.

 

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.....Enoch Powell, one of our last true statesmen.

 

.... and poster boy for swastika-wearing Nazis in the BNP, NF, etc.