How much would this person receive on benefits

[LeMaquis 10]

£3,728.40 per year on JSA

£6,560.00 per year working 40 hours a week.

 

Your calculation ignores the fact that the worker would get some Working Tax Credit, bumping up the salary by a few thousand.

[Jason Bourne 11]

On NMW I'm not sure how they even manage to live in London, unless they're roughing it in Green Park.

 

By claiming £several hundred a week in housing benefit, I would expect.

 

But don't worry, the government's benefit cap will fix the problem.

 

By moving them hundreds of miles further north.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/01/benefit-caps-housing-shortage-push-families-london

[Mecky 10]

When you consider the rent might be around £70 and you're earning the NMW, you're going to struggle

[Supertramp 10]

Your calculation ignores the fact that the worker would get some Working Tax Credit, bumping up the salary by a few thousand.

 

You wouldn't get WTC as far as entitled to.co

UK says. You are only eligible for HB @5k per annum.

[Ms Macbeth 73]

This particular job includes free accomodation i believe,so if that means no rent,no bills,possibly meals included,sounds pretty good to me.

 

So many people seem not to have taken on board what you pointed out so I've bolded it just in case they miss it again. It quite clearly states in the link supplied by the OP that the job includes accommodation: Accommodation is included as part of the deal

 

Housing in London costs a lot. Free accommodation would be a great incentive for a single person, as with no rent, and possibly no utility bills, £1k a month after tax isn't bad for a housekeeping job.

[SpikeMac 10]

Your calculation ignores the fact that the worker would get some Working Tax Credit, bumping up the salary by a few thousand.

 

Why should we top up the wages of an employee of the Queen?

 

She has more than enough wealth to pay her employees a living wage.

[ivanava 10]

I was just reading this article about how a cleaner for the Queen earns just over minimum wage.

 

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2014/01/the-queens-cleaner-only-barely-makes-minimum-wage/

 

The article claims that you would be better off "down your local ASDA or staying at home pretending to be unemployable", and this got me thinking.

 

How much in real terms would an unemployed person, over 25 who is single, living alone in a one bedroom flat who has newly been made reduction actually receive.

 

£71.70 per week JSA which works out at £3,728.40 per year

I'm unsure how much Housing and council tax benefit this person would receive. Lets assume these benefits cover the full cost of both.

 

On the salary offered by the Queen, the person would receive £12,610 after tax and NI contributions. Rent and council tax (£450pm & 90pm est.) could be around £6050 per year, so that reduces the amount left to approx £6,560 per year to cloth and feed yourself.

 

£3,728.40 per year on JSA

£6,560.00 per year working 40 hours a week.

 

So in reality if you worked for the queen as a cleaner you receive £2,831.60 per year more than someone who does not work.

 

or to put it another way, an extra £54 per week to live off

or another way, £1.36 per hour of work extra to sitting at home watching TV.

 

With these figures I don't blame people for not wanting to work. It doesn't excuse it though. If you are at the bottom rung of the working population, you generally only have yourself to blame, either your circumstances prevent you from climbing the career ladder or you failed to appreciate the education you receive for free from the state. However, I don't blame them for not wishing to work.

 

The UK’s monarchy is advertising for a new travelling cleaner, although with a starting salary of just £14,400 for a 40-hour week you’d be better off down your local ASDA or staying at home pretending to be unemployable.

 

The royal job itself is for a Housekeeping Assistant, with the successful applicant earning the non-royal sum of just under £7 an hour. Accommodation is included as part of the deal, though, so if you get a series of flash bedsits to stay in for free as you travel the country dusting ornaments for the poshos that’s at least something.

 

New traveling cleaner, so not expected to live in London and accommodation is included for free, which sweetens the deal somewhat.

 

Just noticed its already need mentioned, so so far ignored.

Edited January 27, 2014 by ivanava

[chem1st 10]

Your calculation ignores the fact that the worker would get some Working Tax Credit, bumping up the salary by a few thousand.

 

Not if single.

[annbaker 10]

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[anywebsite 10]

Not if single.

 

As long as they're over 25 they do. Guaranteed amount each week, the top up amount would be more than her wages. You're screwed if you're under 25 & no kids though.

 

WTC changes the figure by a lot & she'd still be paid housing benefit if she wasn't getting free accommodation in a palace.

 

So she'll be better off working, but the taxpayer pays more than if she was unemployed (except for housing benefit, as she's getting free accommodation, but most minimum wage workers don't get that). Taxpayers subsidise cheap employers who wont pay a living wage.

Edited January 27, 2014 by anywebsite

[chem1st 10]

As long as they're over 25 they do. Guaranteed amount each week, the top up amount would be more than her wages. You're screwed if you're under 25 & no kids though.

 

WTC changes the figure by a lot & she'd still be paid housing benefit if she wasn't getting free accommodation in a palace.

 

So she'll be better off working, but the taxpayer pays more than if she was unemployed (except for housing benefit, as she's getting free accommodation, but most minimum wage workers don't get that). Taxpayers subsidise cheap employers who wont pay a living wage.

 

If over 25, they might be. But it is quite likely by doing 40 hours, they will have had all JSA, hb and tax credit clawed back.

 

At 31 hours, some £20 per week.

 

Tax credits aren't very generous for single people.

[anywebsite 10]

If over 25, they might be. But it is quite likely by doing 40 hours, they will have had all JSA, hb and tax credit clawed back.

 

At 31 hours, some £20 per week.

 

Tax credits aren't very generous for single people.

 

This particular cleaner is going to be getting free accommodation as part of their job. If they weren't getting that & they were on working tax credits then they'd get housing benefit & council tax benefit too. JSA would be stopped, but WTC is worth more & you're still entitled to most other benefits too if you can claim wtc.

 

For employers, it's not worth paying over minimum wage as if the employee is on WTC it'll be topped up to the same amount anyway, unless they were planning to pay more than the WTC amount.

 

If you're under 25 & don't have kids or a disability then you couldn't really take this job as you'd lose all benefits. They only get £56.80 a week JSA too, but it'd cost them a lot if they were on housing benefit, they'd lose their home if they took a minimum wage job like this with no accommodation.

 

The housing benefit rate in central London is £126.22 for a single room or £255.50 for a single bedroom property. If they were under 25, no kids, no disability, with a one bedroom flat & under 25 they'd lose money, they'd be effectively paying to work.

 

A proper negative income tax wouldn't cause these distortions, it'd pay for everybody to work & cost less to administer. There would be no need for a minimum wage or most benefits. We got working tax credits instead of something sensible that would save money & make people better off.

 

It's above minimum wage, that's just £6.31/hour for over 21s, £5.03 for 18-20 year olds. There are plenty of people in worse jobs than this particular example. Some of them aren't guaranteed any hours & they still lose any entitlement to benefits.

Edited January 27, 2014 by anywebsite