60mph speed limit proposal for M1

[monkey69 10]

if the speed limits were fanatical imposed on both stretches and ENFORCED leading to the viaduct, then wouldn't the traffic be more manageable?.

I know that would be a temporary solution as the volume of traffic would build back up to gridlock proportions but for a time it would work.

[Obelix 11]

What about restricting heavier vehicles to the lower deck and leaving three lanes on the top for lighter vehicles? The hard shoulder approaching the bridge from both sides could become a dedicated lane for that junction's traffic, leaving three full lanes from J35 southbound or J33 Northbound.

 

A better bet would be to build a ground level road under/near the viaduct to take over the task of the current lower deck, and modify the slips from the roundabouts to go to ground level.

 

Two lanes from the motorway drop down to lower deck. Two roads on top. Taht way you move all the heavy vehicles down a deck, caravans etc as well so they can operate even in high winds, and cars and light goods etc stay on top.

 

It'd be chaos to implement though as you'd have to close it for some periods to do so.

[geared 315]

if the speed limits were fanatical imposed on both stretches and ENFORCED leading to the viaduct, then wouldn't the traffic be more manageable?.

I know that would be a temporary solution as the volume of traffic would build back up to gridlock proportions but for a time it would work.

 

How do you mean??

 

The Viaduct currently has a 50 limit on it, I don't think it's made any difference to be honest.

 

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A better bet would be to build a ground level road under/near the viaduct to take over the task of the current lower deck, and modify the slips from the roundabouts to go to ground level.

 

Two lanes from the motorway drop down to lower deck. Two roads on top. Taht way you move all the heavy vehicles down a deck, caravans etc as well so they can operate even in high winds, and cars and light goods etc stay on top.

 

It'd be chaos to implement though as you'd have to close it for some periods to do so.

 

You'd need to build bridges over 2 rivers and over a railway line as well.

 

I don't know if there's even room down there, you don't want trucks getting wedged between a bridge and the lower deck.

[ANGELFIRE1 10]

This piddling little bridge is only 26 MILES long. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=picture+of+the+longest+road+bridge+in+the+world&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4MXGB_enGB523GB523&tbm=isch&imgil=VO1pD1HUo8jO_M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcRJYVjIKL1FFC35Qd5c8V0Xza7hUujvPyYnBjA50jJdV9xqYlbk%253B634%253B344%253Bipf-8MnH1bNpEM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%25252Fnews%25252Farticle-1343004%25252FA-bridge-far-China-unveils-worlds-longest-sea-bridge-miles-FURTHER-Dover-Calais-crossing.html&source=iu&usg=__vowfISUSrwfUXwDNgScWojycZUc%3D&sa=X&ei=qo29U6unF-XG7Aaph4CgCQ&ved=0CCgQ9QEwAg&biw=995&bih=447#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=VO1pD1HUo8jO_M%253A%3Bipf-8MnH1bNpEM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.dailymail.co.uk%252Fi%252Fpix%252F2010%252F12%252F31%252Farticle-1343004-0C9B72C0000005DC-989_634x344.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%252Fnews%252Farticle-1343004%252FA-bridge-far-China-unveils-worlds-longest-sea-bridge-miles-FURTHER-Dover-Calais-crossing.html%3B634%3B344

 

Angel.

[WalkleyIan 10]

A civil case against the UK Government for breaching air quality limits will be heard by the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) in Luxembourg today.

 

 

http://www.clickgreen.org.uk/news/national-news/124930-european-court-of-justice-to-hear-uk-air-pollution-case-today.html

[Zombieinfect 10]

I hope it doesn't.

[SevenRivers 10]

A civil case against the UK Government for breaching air quality limits will be heard by the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) in Luxembourg today.

 

 

http://www.clickgreen.org.uk/news/national-news/124930-european-court-of-justice-to-hear-uk-air-pollution-case-today.html

 

Another reason to get out of the EU.

[alchresearch 214]

Another reason to get out of the EU.

 

Yeah, because nobody should be allowed clean air?

 

Once we're out of the EU we'd become the "dirty man of Europe" again, and companies would be back polluting the rivers and dumping raw sewage into the sea.

[martyn1949 12]

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Same applies to these pathetic 20 zones popping up everywhere. It's just another excuse to slow us all down and make driving a car miserable.

 

I am indignant that the people behind this sort of racket (the Highway authorities) have not been prosecuted for fraud.

 

Let's face it, if you pay your broadband provider a fee for smooth passage of your data - and then they tell you that, actually, they are not going to spend any money on maintaining the network, but are instead going to spend your money on equipment to slow down your access, and restrict how often and when you use the network, as it is getting too congested with people (gasp) downloading data, and that they have a duty to minimise the network use, you would (rightly) think you had been conned, in that they have taken the money you subscribe to give you fast trouble-free access, and used it for the opposite purpose.

 

This is fraud at best.

 

But it is exactly what happens with road tax - they take our money which we subscribe to maintain the roads, and use it for lane restrictions, speed humps, tram gates, one-way systems, bus lanes, and God knows what else to make our lives difficult.

 

Please note that trams, buses and cyclists pay NOTHING towards maintaining the roads, so why do they get priority for all these schemes?

 

The motorists, us poor suckers, who DO pay, have our money stolen and used for almost anything other than the repair, maintenance, and improvement of the roads.

 

In France, they have 3 TIMES the motorways that they had 20 years ago. We have less than 5% of new motorway constructed in the last 20 years - and the chronic overloading of our motorways is evident to everyone.

 

Why have the French got such excellent motorways, and an increasing number of them? Because the money is NOT given to robbing governments to divert onto other things.

 

Motorways in France are built by the likes of Shell, who then are repaid through tolls. They then invest that money in new motorways where they see a demand arising. Because that will bring back more tolls, and make them more money.... seemples...

 

The government doesn't take the tolls and waste them on some other pet project, they get re-invested in more roads.

 

About time us UK motorists had a revolution and stopped being the willing victims of rapacious governments that hate our guts, and despise our need to do evil anti-social things like - oh, er - driving to work, and thus earning wages, which they then tax as well!

 

Rod

[Cyclone 10]

Roads are maintained out of general taxation. Bus companies pay corporation tax from the profit they make, they also have to pay for tax on their vehicles. Same applies to trams companies.

Cyclists pay VAT when they buy a bike, and income tax just like you.

 

So everyone is contributing.

[barleycorn 10]

... But it is exactly what happens with road tax - they take our money which we subscribe to maintain the roads

There's your problem. As Cyclone points out you've started your argument on a false premise. Do try to keep up (road tax was abolished in 1937), and try harder next time.

 

jb

[sgtkate 10]

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Same applies to these pathetic 20 zones popping up everywhere. It's just another excuse to slow us all down and make driving a car miserable.

 

I am indignant that the people behind this sort of racket (the Highway authorities) have not been prosecuted for fraud.

 

Let's face it, if you pay your broadband provider a fee for smooth passage of your data - and then they tell you that, actually, they are not going to spend any money on maintaining the network, but are instead going to spend your money on equipment to slow down your access, and restrict how often and when you use the network, as it is getting too congested with people (gasp) downloading data, and that they have a duty to minimise the network use, you would (rightly) think you had been conned, in that they have taken the money you subscribe to give you fast trouble-free access, and used it for the opposite purpose.

 

This is fraud at best.

 

But it is exactly what happens with road tax - they take our money which we subscribe to maintain the roads, and use it for lane restrictions, speed humps, tram gates, one-way systems, bus lanes, and God knows what else to make our lives difficult.

 

Please note that trams, buses and cyclists pay NOTHING towards maintaining the roads, so why do they get priority for all these schemes?

 

The motorists, us poor suckers, who DO pay, have our money stolen and used for almost anything other than the repair, maintenance, and improvement of the roads.

 

In France, they have 3 TIMES the motorways that they had 20 years ago. We have less than 5% of new motorway constructed in the last 20 years - and the chronic overloading of our motorways is evident to everyone.

 

Why have the French got such excellent motorways, and an increasing number of them? Because the money is NOT given to robbing governments to divert onto other things.

 

Motorways in France are built by the likes of Shell, who then are repaid through tolls. They then invest that money in new motorways where they see a demand arising. Because that will bring back more tolls, and make them more money.... seemples...

 

The government doesn't take the tolls and waste them on some other pet project, they get re-invested in more roads.

 

About time us UK motorists had a revolution and stopped being the willing victims of rapacious governments that hate our guts, and despise our need to do evil anti-social things like - oh, er - driving to work, and thus earning wages, which they then tax as well!

 

Rod

 

 

Um...broadband companies do exactly that. It's called traffic shaping. Low priority traffic such as youtube and P2P are often given the lowest priority and run slow. In fact at peak times I'd be surprised if your provider didn't slow down all your connections. It's because, just like all things as the population grows and how we all live changes, our infrastructure becomes under increasing strain, coupled with the fact no-one wants to pay more than bottom dollar for anything means we have infrastructure that's under funded.

 

Also, the 20 zones are areas with schools or residential streets aren't they? Or are you saying they've been put in place to cover poor quality roads? If the later, I'd agree that that's not good at all unless it was unexpected damage.