Sheffield Town Centre What a Dump

[mikebatty 10]

So then, protests in between elections have never changed anything and should be dissuaded are you saying? And do you consider the low percentage voter turn out to be a measure of a healthy democracy when the actual majority choose not to vote ? I guarantee that few you ask will know who is their MP or local councillor these days, and it's not entirely voter apathy, more a realization that they don't trust any politicians anymore.You seem to be talking about true socialists like Bevan, Helen Wilkinson and their contemporaries who were of the people and for the people and Sheffield was extremely well served by that generation of poorly funded politicians. Not for them the retirement from politics to plum jobs with top, capitalist international corporations and Bliar's compounding millions pouring in. Get your dictionary out and look up the meaning of Socialism. New Labour has destroyed Labour.

 

I would endorse your comments 100%. However , your question on my comment about protests is a slight deviation of what I actually said . I was merely suggesting that there are more effective ways of making your protests heard than by disrupting the whole of the council meeting . Ones which would more readily attract more support and sympathy for your cause .

You are quite right that a more genuine and committed individual was encouraged to take up the position of both Councillor and MP when the remunerations were less lucrative .Now , unfortunately a more profession seeking individual who, tends to be lacking in life experience , knowledge and/or understanding of the problems of the electorate and area which they serve and , a genuine belief in anything else other than their future .

Blair and co , by hi-jacking the labour party because they would not have made it any other way into government , as you rightly say have destroyed the labour party. So much so that the party is now over balanced by middle class professionals with self serving ego's .

As a life long Socialist , with a " S " , and a deep rooted belief in everything it stands for I do not need the dictionary to give me its meaning . Needles to say that it is a very long way from new labours interpretation .

Edited September 9, 2013 by mikebatty

[darra 10]

The Labour party are responsible for the state of the city. They were in power when they decided to confront Thatcher and therefore distanced themselves from any meaningful funding to repair the damage done by necessary de industrialization. They have been in power for most of the time the city has been in decline.

Is this the same Thatcher who said 'let Liverpool decline' after 1981 riots?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16361170

 

Where exactly was this funding? The north was a hindrance to Thatcher and the Tories. Still is as shown by the governments decision not to loan Forge Masters £80 million

 

Sheffield Forgemasters' £80m nuclear parts loan axed

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10341119

 

A loan that would have made them a front runner in the Nuclear industry and created jobs.

[Grappler 12]

Is this the same Thatcher who said 'let Liverpool decline' after 1981 riots?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16361170

 

Where exactly was this funding? The north was a hindrance to Thatcher and the Tories. Still is as shown by the governments decision not to loan Forge Masters £80 million

 

Sheffield Forgemasters' £80m nuclear parts loan axed

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10341119

 

A loan that would have made them a front runner in the Nuclear industry and created jobs.

 

Forgemasters did get a loan, just not as much as they wanted

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-15521707

[Hillpig 10]

Is this the same Thatcher who said 'let Liverpool decline' after 1981 riots?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16361170

 

Where exactly was this funding? The north was a hindrance to Thatcher and the Tories. Still is as shown by the governments decision not to loan Forge Masters £80 million

 

Sheffield Forgemasters' £80m nuclear parts loan axed

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10341119

 

A loan that would have made them a front runner in the Nuclear industry and created jobs.

 

Yes it is, and it was a perfectly logical response to the gangsters who the electorate of that city had voted in. I visit Liverpool a lot, it is a difficult city, but also vibrant, modern, forward looking and compared to Sheffield, prosperous. Ask any scouser who stopped the rot they will reply

 

Michael Heseltine

[flyer 10]

I'm afraid this is world wide, why even in rural Kingsville (ontario) where folks leave the doors open and kids play in the streets and parks I did indeed get into a traffic jam must have been at least four cars in front of me at the one and only traffic lights think maybe its time to move to somewhere not so busy

[Hillpig 10]

I'm afraid this is world wide, why even in rural Kingsville (ontario) where folks leave the doors open and kids play in the streets and parks I did indeed get into a traffic jam must have been at least four cars in front of me at the one and only traffic lights think maybe its time to move to somewhere not so busy

 

This sounds truly awful, does the UN know?

[sand_dollars 10]

I'm afraid this is world wide, why even in rural Kingsville (ontario) where folks leave the doors open and kids play in the streets and parks I did indeed get into a traffic jam must have been at least four cars in front of me at the one and only traffic lights think maybe its time to move to somewhere not so busy

 

Hi flyer glad your ok I was wondering if you had been naughty on that thread again lolol

[brian1941 11]

Hi flyer glad your ok I was wondering if you had been naughty on that thread again lolol

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me to.

Edited September 11, 2013 by brian1941
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[sand_dollars 10]

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ME TO. :hihi:

 

ooooooooooooo errrrrrrrr mrs brian hope your not saying your a bad boy too lololo.ljust a quick note talking to me could send you to Coventry by some so just be warned I`m classed as the enemy lololol.......x

Edited September 10, 2013 by sand_dollars

[flyer 10]

This sounds truly awful, does the UN know?

 

I did break into quite a sweat:D:D

 

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Hi flyer glad your ok I was wondering if you had been naughty on that thread again lolol

 

No just been sailing round the Med' then I woke up up and found out I was just drunk:hihi:

[mikebatty 10]

The Labour party are responsible for the state of the city. They were in power when they decided to confront Thatcher and therefore distanced themselves from any meaningful funding to repair the damage done by necessary de industrialization. They have been in power for most of the time the city has been in decline.

 

I would respectfully suggest that you should examine your own comments here my friend , and by that I mean critically examine them .

(1) . Where was the real power ?

(2) . Who confronted who?

(3) . Who was responsible for the " necessary de industrialisation" ?

(4) . How long did the " necessary de industrialisation " take to complete out of 90 +years that labour has held control of Sheffield City Council ?

(5) . What funding did Sheffield City Council distance themselves from ?

 

If you answer those questions honestly I am sure that you will arrive at a different conclusion .

Another example of the bigoted and vindictive behaviour of Thatchers total disregard for any one who did not share her own autocratic desires was her willful outright removal of the South Yorkshire metropolitan county council .

She did so purely out of revenge because she could not control them .Just as she did to her own cabinet ministers and MP's .She was a dictator of the highest order . Oh! And who was it that deposed her ? Certainly not the electorate . It was her own cabinet who had had enough of her .

Ironically , the lib-dems who claimed the high ground in local democracy now collude with the self same party which was , is and always will be opposed to local democracy .

[sand_dollars 10]

when did you come to the conclusion you were funny?

 

gawd hillpiggy lighten up will ya you been sucking lemons gawddddddd anyway hows you I fink I missed ya ........x