National Hero Godfrey Bongo gongo land Bloom?

[Peer Gynt 10]

The fact that we give aid to foreign countries and the tragic fact that pensioners sometime die of cold isn't a cause and effect thing you know.

Pensioners do die, in the UK, in the winter, to the tune of 9 a day, yet you and other we'll spend your money Wallahs (waits to be called a racist) agree with sending our money to pay for the luxury lifestyle of many African despots.

We know our aid money doesn't reach those 15,000,000 children a year who die so what is the justification in sending it at the cost of our own pensioners lives?

[ronthenekred 10]

Or very expensive training and equipping nations that may one day be at odds with us.

 

I agree that is a risk. India and the UK on the other hand has a long tradition of cooperation.

[Zamo 10]

I never claimed the problem to be solely someone else's fault, obviously the poor leadership the Africa has has got an awful lot to answer for as well. The problem is that if the world does not find a way to untangle the mess caused by colonialism, the Cold War and the despotic leadership, then the world may be a too small place for this problem to exist in isolation from the rest of it.

 

Thanks for the link, I'll read it later.

 

It is interesting to also read the views of Africans on the issue of colonialism and the problems they currently face.

 

It is a shame we can't have a similar frank exchange of views on sheffield forum without having to battle PC zealots who refuse to believe that criticism of a foreign nation/culture/religion could be based on anything more than racist bigotary.

[Cyclone 10]

Pensioners do die, in the UK, in the winter, to the tune of 9 a day, yet you and other we'll spend your money Wallahs (waits to be called a racist) agree with sending our money to pay for the luxury lifestyle of many African despots.

We know our aid money doesn't reach those 15,000,000 children a year who die so what is the justification in sending it at the cost of our own pensioners lives?

 

You know when you write it that it's a straw man, nobody agrees with it.

 

You also know that not sending that money wouldn't somehow magically save the pensioners. As a country we could afford to save them from freezing to death anyway, the two issues are completely unrelated.

[Peer Gynt 10]

His use of the term 'Bongo bongo land' reflects a colonial, racist attitude.

 

Do you find the term Wallah offensive?

[Cyclone 10]

It is interesting to also read the views of Africans on the issue of colonialism and the problems they currently face.

 

It is a shame we can't have a similar frank exchange of views on sheffield forum without having to battle PC zealots who refuse to believe that criticism of a foreign nation/culture/religion could be based on anything more than racist bigotary.

 

Nobody thinks that either. What is racist is calling Africa in general, bongo bongo land.

 

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Do you find the term Wallah offensive?

 

You're using it in order to be offensive clearly. But nobody seems to be rising to it.

[Peer Gynt 10]

Your concern over the plight of pensioners is admirable - perhaps it would make a better use of your time to actively do something to benefit your fellow old folk, rather than wasting time allying yourself to a racist, mysogynistic fool like Bloom?

I do by trying to educate people like you who don't care about our own needy.

[Cyclone 10]

Patriot Godfrey Bloom said "let's make overseas aid voluntary" I'd go along with that.

It's about as sensible as suggesting that all areas of tax spending be made voluntary.

 

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What is racist about patriot Godfrey Bloom?

The language he uses to describe African countries... Is there some reason you're now pretending to be stupid?

[Peer Gynt 10]

Nobody thinks that either. What is racist is calling Africa in general, bongo bongo land..

 

A fraction of his speech and that is all you can go on about.

 

Obviously you care not that children die in this country for lack of medical treatment unless funds can be raised to pay for the treatment.

You obviously care not that 9 pensioners a day died in the winter because they couldn't or weren't capable of looking after themselves.

 

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The language he uses to describe African countries... Is there some reason you're now pretending to be stupid?

 

The language he used in a fraction of his speech.

Why are you and other PC wallahs ignoring the main points of his speech.

 

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It's about as sensible as suggesting that all areas of tax spending be made voluntary.

 

Another trait of certain members, misconstruing, nobody asked or expected taxes to be voluntary

 

Our taxes are what are needed to keep this country running therefor they are compulsory.

 

Overseas Aid is not needed by this country therefor it should be voluntary

 

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You're using it in order to be offensive clearly. But nobody seems to be rising to it.

 

Is it offensive?

Edited August 12, 2013 by Peer Gynt

[ronthenekred 10]

 

Is it offensive?

 

You raised the question of "offensive"..educate us as to what you think personally.

[Jeffrey Shaw 89]

It's about as sensible as suggesting that all areas of tax spending be made voluntary.

Not so. Tax paid by UK taxpayers is rather intended for use in the UK and so as to benefit those in the UK.

[Zamo 10]

His use of the term 'Bongo bongo land' reflects a colonial, racist attitude.

 

Holding racists views doesn't invalidate someones opinion though does it? Is it not possible that he could be racist and still be right that we are wasting our money sending aid to some countries?

 

I think it is a bit too easy to simply dismiss someones concerns with a label instead of an argument.