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i know its how HE sees it, which is vastly different from how the general populous see it :help:

 

That's because the Qur'an advocates deception when dealing with non Muslims and people are easily deceived, especially when the truth is hard to bare, as you demonstrate nicely. :)

 

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nope

just like you lot dont when you tar ALL muslims as evil, but obviously that doesnt count :rolleyes:

 

They all follow the same God and their God advocates violence against anyone that doesn't submit to his will.

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nope

just like you lot dont when you tar ALL muslims as evil, but obviously that doesnt count :rolleyes:

 

 

In that case it's just your opinion, which is worth nothing to most of the general public.

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I think point 2 nails it. If a preacher of whatever persuasion, chooses to evangelise to people of another religious belief, they ask him to desist and he declines to do so then the state is justified in intervening in such circumstances.

 

Oh yes by all means if someone is consistently harrassing those of another faith with his preaching then the state should stop them.

 

However this is not what happened, the preachers were told simply that they can't do it at all in a 'muslim area'.

 

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I didn't believe it to be an national outrage, maybe the hint was the extreme over exaggeration in the post, l really didn't expect you to take it literally and i thought that maybe you'd pick up on the irony, or maybe I was being sarcastic; I certainly wasn't setting up a strawman argument. Oh well.

Whoops, my bad, sorry.

 

Nope, that doesn't suggest that we have the right to preach where we want to, though does it.
Yes it does almost, that's certainly how I read it. It could be worded better though.

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Oh yes by all means if someone is consistently harrassing those of another faith with his preaching then the state should stop them.

 

However this is not what happened, the preachers were told simply that they can't do it at all in a 'muslim area'.

 

I was really referring to a passage in the piece you quoted which said there was a heated argument taking place between two groups of men.

 

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So if I can hear the call to prayer from a mosque a few times a day, me not being a muslim and objecting this nuisance noise, is the state justified in intervening? It seems you are claiming so. Same goes fro church bells, maybe they should be silenced so non believers don't have to hear it.

 

Did you read point 2 of Article 9?

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Jihad is the war against unbelievers which is advocated by Allah, every good Muslim is part of this war which is a struggle to build a Muslim society. That leaves non Muslim three option, submit to the will of Allah, fight against Allah and Allah's followers or just hope it doesn't happen in their lifetime.

 

Very strange. I thought you were able to read.

 

Obviously you can't, as you would not be carrying on spouting this Islamophobic drivel after reading my post from the other day explaining that the focus of Islam is on the Greater jihad of the struggle within the self than the style of Jihad you attempt to describe (however inaccurately).

 

I explained the difference between the greater Jihad and the lesser jihad. but you persist in continuing with your deliberately false / wilfully mistaken descriptions.

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Very strange. I thought you were able to read.

 

Obviously you can't, as you would not be carrying on spouting this Islamophobic drivel after reading my post from the other day explaining that the focus of Islam is on the Greater jihad of the struggle within the self than the style of Jihad you attempt to describe (however inaccurately).

 

I explained the difference between the greater Jihad and the lesser jihad. but you persist in continuing with your deliberately false / wilfully mistaken descriptions.

he doesnt want to understand, thats the flaw, he wants to exist in this warped place in his head where islam is this perfectly bad thing he has

where he doesnt give a fig what real muslims believe or say, indeed he knows best and where "moderate" muslims dont exist cos actually they arent muslims...again he knows best

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Very strange. I thought you were able to read.

 

Obviously you can't, as you would not be carrying on spouting this Islamophobic drivel after reading my post from the other day explaining that the focus of Islam is on the Greater jihad of the struggle within the self than the style of Jihad you attempt to describe (however inaccurately).

 

I explained the difference between the greater Jihad and the lesser jihad. but you persist in continuing with your deliberately false / wilfully mistaken descriptions.

 

Yes I can read just fine thanks,

 

Jihad

 

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.

 

Muslims use the word Jihad to describe three different kinds of struggle:

 

A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible.

The struggle to build a good Muslim society

Holy war: the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary.

 

Which part are you having difficulty with?

 

 

 

The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or per-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

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Yes I can read just fine thanks,

 

Jihad

 

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.

 

Muslims use the word Jihad to describe three different kinds of struggle:

 

A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible.

The struggle to build a good Muslim society

Holy war: the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary.

 

Which part are you having difficulty with?

 

yes and i believe PT mentioned the first one is the most common, however you prefer to perpetuate the myth that the more extreme version is the norm :rolleyes:

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yes and i believe PT mentioned the first one is the most common, however you prefer to perpetuate the myth that the more extreme version is the norm :rolleyes:
i think to some misguided people it does

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yes and i believe PT mentioned the first one is the most common, however you prefer to perpetuate the myth that the more extreme version is the norm :rolleyes:

 

Yes it is and to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible means one must obey the other two.

 

Allah also advocates deception, so one would expect Muslims to deceive non Muslims because such deception is part of being a good Muslim.

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he doesnt want to understand, thats the flaw, he wants to exist in this warped place in his head where islam is this perfectly bad thing he has

where he doesnt give a fig what real muslims believe or say, indeed he knows best and where "moderate" muslims dont exist cos actually they arent muslims...again he knows best

 

Now, this ^^ is why I want a "Like" button on here!

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Now, this ^^ is why I want a "Like" button on here!

lick me all you like

 

oh erm like like like i meant

 

LIKE

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