Pride Sheffield today

[Dan Tien 10]

I didn't say they were.

 

Ok, lets have a free event, and bill the tax payers of Sheffield. Yes, I am sure that would go down well with everyone who thinks they already get preferential treatment. Before you say it, the council charge for the use of their open spaces so realistically, to hold this event for free... where you suggest they go?

 

As for your last comment... I know many people go along, who are indifferent to gay rights, and come away having enjoyed themselves and/or been educated one way or another. They get the information from the people and the stalls mentioned in my previous response. This has not changed since the introduction of an entry fee.

 

 

They don't charge for marches, but lets face it that would mean more educating and less partying wouldn't it - and lets remember the context of my original response to a poster who likened gay pride to the black and womens rights movements which were massively promoted by marches and protests not by partys. I have no objection to pride being a ticketed party event but claiming to be an educational event at the same time is a bit of an identity crisis - it needs to make its mind up imo.

 

I am not, and have not been been talking abouyt people who are indeferrent, I have already pointed this out to you, I'm talking about people who need educating, people who are against gay rights - for whatever reason. If you don't get that point you might as well not even bother responding to me because thats the difficulty im having with pride being a ticketed event - it automatically cuts out those most in need of education.

Edited July 8, 2013 by Dan Tien

[Agent Orange 11]

They don't charge for marches, but lets face it that would mean more educating and less partying wouldn't it - and lets remember the context of my original response to a poster who likened gay pride to the black and womens rights movements which were massively promoted by marches and protests not by partys. I have no objection to pride being a ticketed party event but claiming to be an educational event at the same time is a bit of an identity crisis - it needs to make its mind up imo.

 

I am not, and have not been been talking abouyt people who are indeferrent, I have already pointed this out to you, I'm talking about people who need educating, people who are against gay rights - for whatever reason. If you don't get that point you might as well not even bother responding to me because thats the difficulty im having with pride being a ticketed event - it automatically cuts out those most in need of education.

 

How the hell are you supposed to educate someone by marching down a street?

 

I have answered you before and I will again. Those who are against gay rights are very ignorant in their views and no amount of education would ever change their minds. What is more, these sort of people would not dream of going to Pride, whether it was free or not.

 

So, will you be going to one of the free events?

[Daid 10]

Why are people who disagree with homosexuality ignorant exactly. Can their disagreement not be perfectly legitimate if that's what they believe?

[megalithic 10]

Why are people who disagree with homosexuality ignorant exactly. Can their disagreement not be perfectly legitimate if that's what they believe?

 

Not on here.

[Dan Tien 10]

How the hell are you supposed to educate someone by marching down a street?

 

I have answered you before and I will again. Those who are against gay rights are very ignorant in their views and no amount of education would ever change their minds. What is more, these sort of people would not dream of going to Pride, whether it was free or not.

 

So, will you be going to one of the free events?

 

that's not an answer, that's ignorance.

 

So your saying that race and sex marches didn't affect how black people and women were percieved yet a p%#s up and stalls to convince those who already agree and those who are indiferrent are good ways of educating people.

 

How dare you say those who are against gay rights would never change their views. People change their views all the time, when I was growing up I was against Asian people because that was my conditioning, however meeting Asian people as I got older completely changed my mind and I now have many Asian friends.

 

When I was against Asian people i was ignorant and the education I had was meeting them face to face.

 

You say they would never dream of going to pride but if it was free, and in a public space, or in the form of a march they would at least have the opportunity.

 

Your insistance that they could never change is as much of a stumbling block as their own ignorance is and increases the chance of homophobia by setting up boundaries where bridges should be.

 

I am going to pride next year free or not. I was supposed to be going this year but couldn't get the time off, your behaving as if im against gay people which is rubbish, the whole premise of my argument is that a ticketed pride is a wasted opportunity to educate those that indeed are homophobic im 100% in favour of pride but think there should be less emphasis (not tots exclusion though) of the partying element and more emphasis on education.

 

ALL of my gay friends and I have got many without exception who went to pride did so for the party, and some of my friends didn't go BECAUSE of the party.

[Daid 10]

Not on here.

 

It does seem that way!

[Agent Orange 11]

You say they would never dream of going to pride but if it was free, and in a public space, or in the form of a march they would at least have the opportunity.

 

Your insistance that they could never change is as much of a stumbling block as their own ignorance is and increases the chance of homophobia by setting up boundaries where bridges should be.

 

I am going to pride next year free or not. I was supposed to be going this year but couldn't get the time off, your behaving as if im against gay people which is rubbish, the whole premise of my argument is that a ticketed pride is a wasted opportunity to educate those that indeed are homophobic im 100% in favour of pride but think there should be less emphasis (not tots exclusion though) of the partying element and more emphasis on education.

 

ALL of my gay friends and I have got many without exception who went to pride did so for the party, and some of my friends didn't go BECAUSE of the party.

 

They do have the opportunity, cost should be no stumbling block as there are other events and other Prides that have free admission. If they want to go, they will

 

If it's the party element they object to, which is only half the story, and they want the educational side, there are many awareness workshops online or run by local authorities/support groups. Anyone can sign up for them and they are FREE.

 

The ticketing and partying are not and should not be a barrier.

 

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Anyway, back to the OP. It seems like everyone had a good time.

 

Let us hope next year's is bigger and better

 

http://sheffieldpride.co.uk/

 

No surprises that nothing has been mentioned on Sheffield Forum.

 

Glad the girls n boys of Sheffield had a good day for their annual outing. Some, shall we say, very interesting, costumes on view.

 

Hope everyone involved had a fantastic time. A big THANK YOU to the organisers.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Agent Orange

[SpiderPete 10]

I bet the OP wished he never started this thread, as always, every year when the word "gay" is mentioned the Forum goes off on one.

 

Talk about "drama queens" on this thread

[Ghydro 10]

I bet the OP wished he never started this thread, as always, every year when the word "gay" is mentioned the Forum goes off on one.

 

Talk about "drama queens" on this thread

 

This thread has been informative, insightful and a little fractious. If anyone has learnt anything from it. Anything at all, it was a worthwhile OP.

[Mister M 1,625]

Why are people who disagree with homosexuality ignorant exactly. Can their disagreement not be perfectly legitimate if that's what they believe?

 

But homosexuality is a fact of life, just like left handedness, and blood type B.

 

How can you disagree with something that's a fact of life? Is like the churches in the 17th century branding Galileo a heretic for advancing the idea that the earth is spherical.

[Dan Tien 10]

They do have the opportunity, cost should be no stumbling block as there are other events and other Prides that have free admission. If they want to go, they will [/Quote]

 

Why would someone who is against people, the same people who I am putting forward the idea that they wouldnt pay to learn about something they disagree with spend their time travelling out of the way to a free event they dont agree with? if it was free and in their face it would provide an opportunity.

 

them being against gay people doesn't mean that they dony have the potential to have their minds changed, though you obviously disagree.

 

Im not even sure you understand my argument at all.

 

If it's the party element they object to, which is only half the story, and they want the educational side, there are many awareness workshops online or run by local authorities/support groups. Anyone can sign up for them and they are FREE[/Quote]

 

The people I was referring to who object to the partying are some not all of my gay friends. being gay they dont need educating about the equality of gay people as they know theyre equal.

 

The ticketing and partying are not and should not be a barrier.

 

who to, thew gay people who dislike the party aspect or the homophobes? you seem to be getting a little muddled.

 

ive explained why ticketing is a barrier to those who dont see gay people as equal several times - as you seem to think these people can never have their minds changed then this should be irrelevant to you.

 

My original reply to the other poster was about a ticketed event where the majority of people go to party being a wasted opportunity to educate those who really need it and weve been going on now for two days without you actually providing any valid argument against this position.

 

my argument is not against pride, nor is it against pride being there as a place where gay people can get together and celebrate their sexuality by having a party - its about the confused identity pride has - my response was to a poster who likened it to the transforming black and womens movements which i think making it a ticketed event diminishes that transfoming power. you replied to me i didnt ask you to but you dont seem to have actually grasped the point im making.

 

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But homosexuality is a fact of life, just like left handedness, and blood type B.

 

How can you disagree with something that's a fact of life? Is like the churches in the 17th century branding Galileo a heretic for advancing the idea that the earth is spherical.

 

You can disagree with it but that doesnt make you right.

 

babies are born totes ignorant, they dont know nothing and the grounding they get comes from their parents. if their parents are homophobic or racialist then they are likely to be as well. we need events like pride to educate those people who do disagree with homosexuality so they can see it is normal.

 

so you can disagree with something thats right, people in the past thought the earth was flat until they were furnished with the correct information. being wrong doesnt mean your thick or stupid or unable to change in many cases it simply means you havent had the opportunity to change.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Dan Tien

[Agent Orange 11]

Why would someone who is against people, the same people who I am putting forward the idea that they wouldnt pay to learn about something they disagree with spend their time travelling out of the way to a free event they dont agree with? if it was free and in their face it would provide an opportunity.

 

If someone doesn't agree with something, then they are unlikely to go, are they? Free or not, local or not, if someone is against a group of people or disagrees with them, they are not going to join them. It really is that simple.

 

For example, the EDL hold a free event in Sheffield which is open to all. I despise the EDL and their views, therefore, I would not go to their event because I don't agree with them.

 

them being against gay people doesn't mean that they dony have the potential to have their minds changed, though you obviously disagree.

 

Im not even sure you understand my argument at all.

 

Chances are, if a person is against something they are less likely to change their minds about that subject.

 

I understand your argument perfectly.

 

 

The people I was referring to who object to the partying are some not all of my gay friends. being gay they dont need educating about the equality of gay people as they know theyre equal.

 

Some of your friends object to the partying? How odd. Everyone I have spoken to at these events love it and enjoy all aspects of the event. I am confused as to why they would go, if they knew what was involved.

 

Not everyone who attends Pride is gay, there are others that go that aren't, and besides the information usually provided at this event is usually mutually beneficial. Also, just because you are gay doesn't mean you cannot benefit from the educational material about equality and rights etc.

 

who to, thew gay people who dislike the party aspect or the homophobes? you seem to be getting a little muddled.

 

ive explained why ticketing is a barrier to those who dont see gay people as equal several times - as you seem to think these people can never have their minds changed then this should be irrelevant to you.

 

My original reply to the other poster was about a ticketed event where the majority of people go to party being a wasted opportunity to educate those who really need it and weve been going on now for two days without you actually providing any valid argument against this position.

 

my argument is not against pride, nor is it against pride being there as a place where gay people can get together and celebrate their sexuality by having a party - its about the confused identity pride has - my response was to a poster who likened it to the transforming black and womens movements which i think making it a ticketed event diminishes that transfoming power. you replied to me i didnt ask you to but you dont seem to have actually grasped the point im making.

 

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

 

The majority of this you answered yourself in your first paragraph.

 

What confused identity? Tell me more, I am interested to know what you mean by this odd statement.

Edited July 9, 2013 by Agent Orange