Three nights of race riots in Sweden.

[Focusnow 10]

I'd call them people.

 

You and your ilk are far too ready to call people you've never met (and don't understand) 'scum'.

 

Blimey talk about kettle calling the pot black... the forums resident weasle has no bounds lol

 

No doubt you'll have the same respect for the EDL members you've never met...

[Halibut 12]

Blimey talk about kettle calling the pot black... the forums resident weasle has no bounds lol

 

I really fail to see why you find it so controversial.

 

No doubt you'll have the same respect for the EDL members you've never met...

 

I've less respect for the EDL as it happens, but I'm still quite comfortable referring to them as people.

[I1L2T3 10]

So it is OK to make observations (see below) without knowing the personal circumstances when the observations are used to excuse the rioters behaviour. However, it is not OK if the observations are used to explain the rioter predicament and the stupidity of their self-defeating actions?

 

You're making a serious mistake if you think I'm condoning rioting. I'm not.

 

I am simply trying to understand why it happened. People don't just riot. In my opinion they are more often than not pushed to it by their circumstances.

 

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Not sure they were 'invited'.

 

You are still ignoring the point I made earlier. If the majority turn up in a country with no money, no education, no skills, little appreciation of the culture and are not fluent in the language, then they are obviously at a huge disadvantage and will obviously be less prosperous. It is not racism and the rioting is completely unjustified and self defeating.

 

Well, they certainly weren't told to leave.

 

No, I'm not ignoring your point. It takes two things to happen for immigrants to be a success. They have to be provided with opportunities and they have to make the most of those opportunities. If they are pushed into a sink estate with poor services, poor schools, treated badly by the authorities then the first bit hasn't happened and the second bit less likely to happen even if people strike put on their own.

[johncocker 10]

Is there anyone on earth you are not an apologist for?

 

Rioting and burning schools down should be a definition of scum in the dictionary.

 

 

yep/

the 78year old French historian who blew is brains out in front of a packed congregation in Notre Dame cathedral seems to amuse the compassionate, humanitarian little halibut no end

 

---------- Post added 25-05-2013 at 14:58 ----------

 

How many developed countries with relatively homogenous populations (Japan, for instance) regularly have riots?

 

 

I if you let enough people from the Third World into your country, your country becomes a Third World country.

Can you think of a single example of a country that is better off because it allows significant immigration from Third World countries?

 

 

Helping immigrants with a generous welfare system is one thing and taking governmental responsibility to make sure these incoming people are accepting of their culture should be the rule of thumb for remaining in continued acceptance of their hospitably! Allowing people to congregate in a country with nothing to do is idiotic

Edited May 25, 2013 by johncocker

[Zamo 10]

You're making a serious mistake if you think I'm condoning rioting. I'm not. I am simply trying to understand why it happened. People don't just riot. In my opinion they are more often than not pushed to it by their circumstances

 

I don't think you are condoning it and you correctly explained why they were doing it. It is just that they are not justified in feeling bitter towards the Swedish people because it is not their fault.

 

They (generally) have no money to invest, little education, lack skills and experience, do not understand the culture and the language is second to them. If they get a job it is going to be low paid and their standard of living will be at the bottom end of the spectrum.

 

The next generation will have a better chance once they've been through the education system and grown up in the country but it is going to take generations before they can even get close to parity. Bit the hand that feeds them in the mean time and it might never happen.

[tinfoilhat 11]

Fan of massively sweeping statements much?

 

My optician is a Muslim, as are several of my work colleagues. Are you going to explain how un-integrated they are please, because I can't see it.

 

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Can't see stuff? I'd talk to your optician about that ;);)

 

Any way (bad) puns aside I thought Sweden was the poster boy for socialist Utopias ? They are always up there in the international rankings for one thing and another, in fact according to this article will give free healthcare to illegal immigrants http://www.businessinsider.com/best-healthcare-systems-in-the-world-2012-6?op=1 - which makes to rioting even more out of character. Where has if gone wrong that badly that it needs three days of rioting?

[johncocker 10]

If they are poor, unemployed, have rubbish schools etc... and are clearly having an inferior standard of living to their hosts then may may not feel like they are being welcomed.

 

 

 

 

apparently the real reason behind all this is that they were forced to use ikea furniture.

 

maybe that's what as been burning on the streets?

[XXTickerXX 10]

6 nights and counting.

 

Sweden riots spread beyond Stockholm despite extra police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22656657

 

It is believed they were sparked by the death of an elderly man nearly a week before, who was shot by police after he allegedly threatened to kill them with a machete.

[retep 68]

6 nights and counting.

 

Sweden riots spread beyond Stockholm despite extra police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22656657

 

Unfortunately the more people it affects the better, more notice will be taken by those who were previously unaffected, it brings them down from their ivory towers.

[Hots on 10]

There's no conspiracy but simply a failure of Sweden to be inclusive and provide opportunities for the people it invites in. People wouldn't be rioting otherwise. Fundamentally it boils down to economic inclusiveness - there is no greater force for bringing people together.

 

The global-village left wing that are seeking to drastically alter the racial demographic of the west, are using the asylum system to circumvent the normal restrictions on immigration into the UK to help achieve their sick goal.

Edited May 25, 2013 by Hots on

[andygardener 10]

The fish still loves rioters, no surprise there.

[Hots on 10]

6 nights and counting.

 

Sweden riots spread beyond Stockholm despite extra police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22656657

 

Its an absolute disgrace, look at where being all nice and welcoming to third-worlder's has got Sweden; bet they regret it now.