Bedroom Tax megathread

[Happ Hazzard 10]

The top rate of tax used to be 9%. And people thought that was far too high! Seriously, we have gone mad as a people. We expect the government to do everything for us, up to and including wipe our kids arses. As a result so many people have become infantilized. So we have children starting school not toilet trained, unable to speak, sit up unaided, eat with cutlery, not even knowing their own name. Why? Because their parents see it as the governments job to teach them.

 

I read an article about the bedroom tax earlier on an american site. People were dumbfounded when it was explained to them what the "bedroom tax" was and that some British people thought they were entitled to free rooms at government expense and were up in arms at the thought of having to pay £14 for them. Somewhere we have completely lost sight of reality in this country. We have grown adults whining like children who's parents have told them they are too old for pocket money and need to get jobs if they want to have nice things.

[Tradescanthia 10]

So over your working life the tax rate has significantly dropped??

 

Now you're retired you want it hiked back up to cover your pension and medical bills???

 

Well good luck with that

 

You have got it in one....

[AdamSmith 10]

The top rate of tax is nowhere near high enough. I started work in 1964, the BOTTOM rate was 36%............we paid it and got services. We built the NHS, the Welfare State, in fact all the things the Torys hate.

Torys don't want ordinary Joe Public to enjoy any benefits or rights or a decent job or free healthcare. All they do is bleed people and hand cash back to their rich pals. When the top rate of tax was MUCH higher not many people left our shores, they stayed and worked hard.

Labour will not sort out the probem, Milliband is just a Tory in disguise.

The high earners must pay more tax............simples.

 

 

the following is quite useful in understanding why you are wrong Nimrod

What has caused more long term destruction -

the A-bomb,or Government welfare programs created to buy the

votes of those who want someone to take care of them?

Japan does not have a welfare system.

Work for it or do without.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

[Stan Tamudo 10]

the following is quite useful in understanding why you are wrong Nimrod

What has caused more long term destruction -

the A-bomb,or Government welfare programs created to buy the

votes of those who want someone to take care of them?

Japan does not have a welfare system.

Work for it or do without.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

 

You forgot to use quotation marks ab.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/404219-you-cannot-legislate-the-poor-into-prosperity-by-legislating-the

[AdamSmith 10]

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You forgot to use quotation marks ab.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/404219-you-cannot-legislate-the-poor-into-prosperity-by-legislating-the

 

ah sorry forum police i wasnt trying to infer the words were my own "......" there you go:roll: AS

[I1L2T3 10]

ah sorry forum police i wasnt trying to infer the words were my own "......" there you go:roll: AS

 

What were you trying to do then? You even broke the quote up into numbered points.

 

Anyway, and especially pertinent to this thread the quote you used ignores the impact that rentierism has in the housing market. You talk about the people who 'take' without even considering that rent, especially in the context of housing benefits in this country, is very often unearned.

 

So for every HB payment that goes to a landlord somebody must have paid the tax to the government to make the HB payment possible

[truman 10]

So for every HB payment that goes to a landlord somebody must have paid the tax to the government to make the HB payment possible

 

Or the government borrowed it.....

[I1L2T3 10]

Or the government borrowed it.....

 

Indeed. Yes.

[sheff1johnny 10]

I was watching the andrew marr show, and some woman was reviewing the papers, and was about to talk about the bedroom tax, she was quickly moved off the subject. When the woman from the UN released her results about the bedroom tax, there was no mention of it. When the sleep out happened, there was no coverage. I think that the BBC is being censored about the bedroom tax.

Whether you agree with it or not, can it be classed as un news worthy?

 

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What were you trying to do then? You even broke the quote up into numbered points.

 

Anyway, and especially pertinent to this thread the quote you used ignores the impact that rentierism has in the housing market. You talk about the people who 'take' without even considering that rent, especially in the context of housing benefits in this country, is very often unearned.

 

So for every HB payment that goes to a landlord somebody must have paid the tax to the government to make the HB payment possible

 

80% of people who claim hb are in some form of employment. They may not recieve the full amount, but they are still claiming.

[geared 302]

Surely the BBC is like any other media outlet, they have their own views and they spend more or less time talking about the stories they want.

[sheff1johnny 10]

Surely the BBC is like any other media outlet, they have their own views and they spend more or less time talking about the stories they want.

 

I think they don't want to do anything to upset DC, and the ETON mess do they?

[Happ Hazzard 10]

Most people agree with the "bedroom tax". For the BBC to bleat about it would just reinforce the fact that so many extreme leftists work there. They are supposed to be a broadcaster for all of Britain, not just the left. Miliband coming out against it just re-inforces the perception of Labour being a party for people on benefits.