Tory Spiv tells the truth

[Stan Tamudo 10]

It's nice to know where we stand with this mob.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/11/young-recession-cheap-labour

[ricgem2002 11]

what else do you expect from a tory gov

[Stan Tamudo 10]

what else do you expect from a tory gov

 

The last mob of red tie wearing tories were bad, this lot are taking the mickey.

[geared 319]

Actually quite true tho, there's always a jump in stuff like construction and manufacturing after a recession because of the availability of labour.

 

It's one of the main reasons places like the empire state building got built, so many out of work that lots if cheap labour was available to do the job.

[Vague_Boy 10]

Actually quite true tho, there's always a jump in stuff like construction and manufacturing after a recession because of the availability of labour.

 

a. What makes you think this is a standard recession?

 

b. What makes you think we will ever get back to normal?

 

Serious questions (honest).

 

Our economies have been built on cheap oil. They stutter and choke on $100+ oil.

 

But $100+ (or higher) oil is the new normal.

 

What are we going to do?

 

If we're going to transition to some kind of alternative energy system, we'd better get a move on.

 

30 years ago would be a good time to start.

 

 

Getting back to the OP's thread, Lord Young comes across as a monumental plonker. It's one thing to think things like this. But to actually say them? Who does he think he is, Jo Moore?

[I1L2T3 10]

There is always money to be made in a recession. Like the OP says Young is just stating the truth.

 

This recession has been a smash and grab by private business interests, helped by the coalition. It's hard to believe how much has been transferred to the private sector. And it's been done brazenly without any attempt to include the public. If you see Sid tell him not to bother.

[El Cid 220]

what else do you expect from a tory gov

 

We are all the same. A relative has just died, and we have to sort out his business affairs. He has set up his family as workers to avoid various tax. His family have other jobs, so they are not workers.

Not sure if I would do it. One mans exploitation is another mans chance of a job.

[ricgem2002 11]

We are all the same. A relative has just died, and we have to sort out his business affairs. He has set up his family as workers to avoid various tax. His family have other jobs, so they are not workers.

Not sure if I would do it. One mans exploitation is another mans chance of a job.

no we are not all the same, greed is ruining this country something out of our control. your relative has used a loophole (just like mps/bankers/the well off/companies etc)to avoid paying taxes. just imagine if all these people paid a fair amount of tax how better off this country would be. oh and less loopholes to exploit

[geared 319]

a. What makes you think this is a standard recession?

 

Well it's not really is it, in fact it was in the news recently that we might not have had a double dip recession afterall.

We have been trundling around at or close to 0% growth for a couple of years tho.

 

The problem can't solely lie with the price of oil, China, India, Brazil and a bunch of other countries seem to be doing ok.

 

The debt crisis at home and with the EU have caused us no end of problems.

It seems like when we start to get our books in order we still get hammered because some other country has let theirs go to rack and ruin and it drags everyone in the Eurozone down.

[Funky_Gibbon 42]

One mans exploitation is another mans chance of a job.

 

Except it doesn't really work like that when the exploitation means that the work isn't providing enough remuneration to live on regardless of whether the man wants a chance of a job or not.

 

Right now we have hundreds of thousands of people being forced to work for nothing. We have people on zero hour contracts who are classed as employed but have no guaranteed income. We have a government that is trying to implement policies to remove employment rights (voluntarily through share for rights if you're stupid enough to do that or forcibly through renegotiation of EU treaties to exempt our citizens from EU employment laws). Social security is being degraded with the stated aim of always making any kind of job seem better than living on benefits. Some people think that's a good idea but not when you realise that our lowest rate of pay isn't enough to live on in large parts of the country because our housing costs are out of control and there is a deliberate policy to not build social housing.

 

When they are done with us we'll be a great place to do business but a terrible place to be an employee.

[I1L2T3 10]

Well it's not really is it, in fact it was in the news recently that we might not have had a double dip recession afterall.

We have been trundling around at or close to 0% growth for a couple of years tho.

 

The problem can't solely lie with the price of oil, China, India, Brazil and a bunch of other countries seem to be doing ok.

 

The debt crisis at home and with the EU have caused us no end of problems.

It seems like when we start to get our books in order we still get hammered because some other country has let theirs go to rack and ruin and it drags everyone in the Eurozone down.

 

Which countries are doing well? And why?

[deaf andy 10]

Which countries are doing well? And why?

 

norway and switzerland. because they're not part of the EU.