dutch   68 #133 Posted August 2, 2013 Paks4. You just gone fast asleep, snoring. Sleeping and renting properties is not save and need a license to wake you up again. Open your eyes or else you can get out of the boat by selling your house if you don't know how to rent it responsibly. If you do rent it responsibly there is no problem. You just do it with a license now, what is the problem?  Blaming it on others is so childish and no excuse to not lower your prices to attract better tenants. That way a better area can be created. If you can see and recognise the difference between people's intentions, there are plenty of good people that will come for a better price. All this talk like it is never gonna get better or will only get worse is not true. There are a lot of good tenants that will recover and stabilise the area for a better price.  Your greed stops that development from happen. To develop a better area you need to not scare and price the right people away by getting Slovaks as soon as possible that scare other better tenants away to be replaced by more eastern Europeans that make it even more worse.  A balance needs to stay and if you need to lower prices for English people to come back to regain a balance you have to do that to repair the mistakes.  Blaming it on council or laws is childish, they did not say yes to non integrated foreigners overpopulating your properties. You did that. That is why you need a license, to learn how to do a better job properly. The council or law does not have to clean the mess when you get 10 tenants throwing garbage on the street.  Why do I know people that are good landlords and they are not the ones that are complaining about the license. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
lyndyloo   10 #134 Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) Paks4. You just gone fast asleep, snoring. Sleeping and renting properties is not save and need a license to wake you up again. Open your eyes or else you can get out of the boat by selling your house if you don't know how to rent it responsibly. If you do rent it responsibly there is no problem. You just do it with a license now, what is the problem?  Blaming it on others is so childish and no excuse to not lower your prices to attract better tenants. That way a better area can be created. If you can see and recognise the difference between people's intentions, there are plenty of good people that will come for a better price. All this talk like it is never gonna get better or will only get worse is not true. There are a lot of good tenants that will recover and stabilise the area for a better price.  Your greed stops that development from happen. To develop a better area you need to not scare and price the right people away by getting Slovaks as soon as possible that scare other better tenants away to be replaced by more eastern Europeans that make it even more worse.  A balance needs to stay and if you need to lower prices for English people to come back to regain a balance you have to do that to repair the mistakes.  Blaming it on council or laws is childish, they did not say yes to non integrated foreigners overpopulating your properties. You did that. That is why you need a license, to learn how to do a better job properly. The council or law does not have to clean the mess when you get 10 tenants throwing garbage on the street.  Why do I know people that are good landlords and they are not the ones that are complaining about the license.  Well I have a good land lord WHY should he be penalised or he could pass the cost on to us WHY should we have to pay.For the last time a landlord rents to a couple 2 adults 2 children he goes next wk more have moved in but say they are not staying just visiting.This has happened next door to me.We have 10 but they tell landlord they are visiting.So unless the landlord parks on the street and watches for 24/7. You obviously dont live on a street round here.They are in the area because of CHEAP rents. Edited August 2, 2013 by lyndyloo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #135 Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) I am sorry to hear you are having all these problems after 8 years. It is not your landlords doing that has created the situation but your neighbours landlords weaknesses, incapacity to keep only 4 people in the house.  If you keep non integrated tenants, extra effort is needed to keep them under control or else that landlord should have gotten integrated tenants. Now 10 people are living next to you driving you crazy. Your neighbours landlord is blaming the laws and other excuses. He is not trying hard enough to make it clear only 2 adults and 2 children are allowed to live there.  If he threw them out and it would go to court a judge most likely will justify that landlords actions under the circumstances. Humans are not animals to live with 10 people in a page hall house. Most landlords in page hall are scared and pray to god in hope god will solve their problems but that only makes matters worse.  Your landlord is not to blame for the license. It is not a penalty, not a fine, it is admin cost for the program, maybe go 50/50 on the cost, it is £12.50 per month. £6 for you £6.5 for him. This license is to make certain landlords are "fit and proper" to do that job. Your landlord already is fit and proper, your neighbour is not. If I would rent that house and 10 people live in it I discuss this with them, give them a week and then a last warning. Then I throw them all out and be more than happy to discuss it with a judge if it gets there. Judges are there to make the world a better place not for 10 people to live in same house. The law may say this or that but a judge is capable and allowed to use common sense.  Lyndyloo my situation is not as bad as yours. A lot of landlords in page hall (with exceptions that are not the problem here) blame their problems on others and pray to heaven to make things better.  £12.50 per month license admin to rent a house is not unreasonable when there are many landlords that are not capable of doing that job properly and care more about money than the references of the tenants. Edited August 3, 2013 by dutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PAKS4   10 #136 Posted August 3, 2013 First of all I'm not a landlord, it's your posts that sent me to sleep.  If the few decent residents left in the area can't wait to get out why would "better tenants" want to pay to live here? Fact is no decent person wants to come and live here? I don't see it getting any better, wait until the Romanians arrive.  This selective licensing is just a money making scheme for the council, it hasn't worked in other towns/cities, what it has done is decrease the values of the houses even further.  You want landlords to pay English people to come and live here to make it a better area??? Are you for real?  I think selling my house will make the area worse as the only people buying in this area are the rogue landlords, as decent people don't want to invest/live here.  And just incase you missed it the first time IM NOT A LANDLORD!  Paks4. You just gone fast asleep, snoring. Sleeping and renting properties is not save and need a license to wake you up again. Open your eyes or else you can get out of the boat by selling your house if you don't know how to rent it responsibly. If you do rent it responsibly there is no problem. You just do it with a license now, what is the problem?  Blaming it on others is so childish and no excuse to not lower your prices to attract better tenants. That way a better area can be created. If you can see and recognise the difference between people's intentions, there are plenty of good people that will come for a better price. All this talk like it is never gonna get better or will only get worse is not true. There are a lot of good tenants that will recover and stabilise the area for a better price.  Your greed stops that development from happen. To develop a better area you need to not scare and price the right people away by getting Slovaks as soon as possible that scare other better tenants away to be replaced by more eastern Europeans that make it even more worse.  A balance needs to stay and if you need to lower prices for English people to come back to regain a balance you have to do that to repair the mistakes.  Blaming it on council or laws is childish, they did not say yes to non integrated foreigners overpopulating your properties. You did that. That is why you need a license, to learn how to do a better job properly. The council or law does not have to clean the mess when you get 10 tenants throwing garbage on the street.  Why do I know people that are good landlords and they are not the ones that are complaining about the license.  ---------- Post added 03-08-2013 at 11:54 ----------  £12.50 per month?? Where did that figure from?? Thin air? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
last warrior   10 #137 Posted August 3, 2013 I am sorry to hear you are having all these problems after 8 years. It is not your landlords doing that has created the situation but your neighbours landlords weaknesses, incapacity to keep only 4 people in the house.  If you keep non integrated tenants, extra effort is needed to keep them under control or else that landlord should have gotten integrated tenants. Now 10 people are living next to you driving you crazy. Your neighbours landlord is blaming the laws and other excuses. He is not trying hard enough to make it clear only 2 adults and 2 children are allowed to live there.  If he threw them out and it would go to court a judge most likely will justify that landlords actions under the circumstances. Humans are not animals to live with 10 people in a page hall house. Most landlords in page hall are scared and pray to god in hope god will solve their problems but that only makes matters worse.  Your landlord is not to blame for the license. It is not a penalty, not a fine, it is admin cost for the program, maybe go 50/50 on the cost, it is £12.50 per month. £6 for you £6.5 for him. This license is to make certain landlords are "fit and proper" to do that job. Your landlord already is fit and proper, your neighbour is not. If I would rent that house and 10 people live in it I discuss this with them, give them a week and then a last warning. Then I throw them all out and be more than happy to discuss it with a judge if it gets there. Judges are there to make the world a better place not for 10 people to live in same house. The law may say this or that but a judge is capable and allowed to use common sense.  Lyndyloo my situation is not as bad as yours. A lot of landlords in page hall (with exceptions that are not the problem here) blame their problems on others and pray to heaven to make things better.  £12.50 per month license admin to rent a house is not unreasonable when there are many landlords that are not capable of doing that job properly and care more about money than the references of the tenants.  An interesting post, however there are some inaccuracies that I would like to comment on.  1) Throwing a tenant out. No Landlord in the Country can throw tenants out physically or on the spur of the moment. It won't hold up in Court and the Landlord will be charged with Intimidation and Harassment. There are so many tenant rights that all landlords need to thread very carefully. An example if a Landlord gives a notice one day late it is classed as invalid in a court. Judges are unlikely to make decisions whereby families are going to be evicted and made homeless unless it's a last resort.   2) 2 adult and 2 children in a home. The laws on overcrowding are very different to yours or my interpretation. I agree with you we should not have more than 2 adults and 2-3 kids in a property. However the law dictates the amount of people that can reside in a property on the numbers of rooms in the house. Therefore if there are two reception rooms one can be used as a bedroom. Then depending on the size of a room the Law determines how many can live there. So easily 6-8 people can live in a 3 bedroom 2 reception room home according to the law. This is the very reason I say Selective licensing won't help with overcrowding because the Council have to use the interpretation of overcrowding from the LAW not from me or you. You can check this with the Council.  3) Its £12.50 a month only. It's not just the fee that will be included in the rent increase it's the charge for the extra time it takes to manage a property in this area when compared to other properties in non selective licencing areas. Increase in insurance premiums, fuel, travel expenses etc normal business related costs.  Also rogue landlords are not going to increase it by just the minimum amount especially when they have been told by the Council that rent in the area is too low and is one of the reasons for causing problems in the area.  I would like to hear your thoughts on what you think will happen when the selective licensing scheme is introduced ?  How will it help alleviate the five main problems I hear from people in the area  1) Groups of people on streets behaving badly at night 2) Litter, fly tipping 3) Overcrowding (by your definition any more than 2 adults and 2 children) 4) Nuisance from cars, and kids on the street. 5) Noisy neighbours.  I look forward to your reply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #138 Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) You are calling yourself the last warrior, yet it sounds like you are giving up on the situation.  When 10 people live in the same house pretending to be visitors something can be done a lot faster certainly with a bit of health and safety creativity to get that number down to a more sensible number of inhabitants. Better contracts are more useful than hopeless words of giving up and talking like there is no way out. The law is to protect tenants from bad landlords but was not made to let bad tenants free right of way. A judge is capable of seeing that difference and acting accordingly.  Why do these landlords rent to people that live their life with 8 people in a little page hall house, cause littering, noise. I know landlords that are educated enough to not do that. Why does one landlord know how to do it right and lazy weak landlords just give all these homes to overcrowding littering noisy eastern Europeans. Allow only 5 to 10% easterners in one road and help them integrate. It will take time but allowing eastern Europeans to take over more than 50% of a street is a criminal act on the landlords behalf. The council did not rent these houses to them. The council is asking landlords to be more thorough in doing proper background investigation in their tenants.  If I get people knocking on my door that are going to behave badly, litter tipping, overcrowding, nuisance from cars, noisy. I say NO. I am a good landlord and do not want to spoil the area with these problems.  Then I lower the rent and people come that will not be a nuisance, not as fast as the eastern Europeans, it takes longer but they are there. It is not as easy to find good tenants but it can be done with a bit more effort.  £750 for 5 years=£12.5 per month. It will reduce values and remind people that a rental home is something to be treated with respect and being lazy with finding tenants that do not cause problems is something to now pay the price for renting a massive area to eastern Europe.  I am not against eastern Europe, I just donot mix 50% salt or pepper in my meal. There are landlords that are intelligent enough to act accordingly when they see problems arise.  Why do some others, like warrior, give up, stop trying, lose all their hopes and just blame the law for their helplessness. Then mention all the illegal things these tenants are doing while reasoning he is powerless to stop any further increase to renting to noisy littering overcrowds.  Saying that the right people are not coming anymore because of what has happened and the only way out is to go further and further more into renting to the infection. If it is difficult to find the right people, that may be true, but letting more infections in is going to make page hall die.  Sorry warrior, there is a way out but it takes a little more work, effort willingness to make that happen. Edited August 4, 2013 by dutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
shadow05 Â Â 10 #139 Posted August 4, 2013 On the grounds that they're not in his back yard! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #140 Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Shadow 05. I have kicked neighbours out through court and we were not even the landlord (noisy english ones).  If they are in your backyard you start the integration process. My English neighbours did not care and are gone now.  Why can I dispose of these tenants while I am not even the landlord while landlords on this forum are saying they are helpless without power incapable of refusing criminals or huge oversized fly tipping foreign families as tenants.  Most of these eastern Europeans are not yet integrated. How BLIND do you have to be to see when they are all over the place everything is becoming out of balance, noisy garbage, interference. Who, which landlords are letting more of these people in without proper contracts to limit how many people live in the house? Which landlords continue the process of renting to these type of people? Then blame council and laws for the bad habits of eastern Europeans.  On my grounds my eyes are open. If the wrong tenants move in I blame the landlord not the tenants. If I get 10 people tipping garbage living like rats next door I blame the LANDLORD for letting them in. A license is needed to stop landlords from taking responsibility of which tenants and under what conditions they accept them.  Many landlords are good here and eastern Europeans are only not yet integrated. Edited August 4, 2013 by dutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
last warrior   10 #141 Posted August 4, 2013 I am not giving up. On the contrary I am reading up on the internet all the possible ways we can improve the area with all the available laws at our disposal.  For instance the Hazard homes safety rating system enforcement gives Councils powers to enforce minimum standards on all private rented accommodation and charge landlords the cost of repairs as well as costs incurred to the Council for investigating the property in the first place.  Antisocial bill of 2013 gives further powers to the Council to permanently remove troublesome tenants causing problems in the area and the home  I am simply saying when these laws exist why are we trying to resolve the situation with laws that came into force in 2004.  Even the section 30 law that has now been applied to the area was created in the Anti Social behaviour bill of 2003. Section 30 will be lifted again in November and come the spring/summer time of 2014 we will see problem resurface.  Why do you feel laws created 10 years ago are going to achieve better results than laws that have been created more recently. I'm assuming the previous laws were not up to the mark and hence the 2013 laws were created.  I'm all for punishing bad landlords or bad tenants because they give all landlords a bad name.  To summarise once more, I am not giving up all I want is for the best laws and powers to be used to achieve the results we all want. I live in the area so I see the problems on a daily basis.  We both want the area to improve but the way we wish to tackle the situation is different.  If you do have some time free, do read up on the internet on the above laws. and read the Council's literature on the selective licensing scheme which mentions the limitations of the selective licensing scheme.  I don't want a scheme being used in the area for 5 years and then after scheme finishes the problems to be exactly the same as before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #142 Posted August 4, 2013 Thank you warrior,  Lots of good landlords are paying (unnecessarily?) to keep few bad ones under control. After 5 years many Eastern EU people will have integrated better. The license will not do that job, people willingness to connect and help each other to learn will do that.  Warrior, we both want page hall to recover, I don't belief my way is the only way and appreciate your language here and see you are right and make a good point on many issues here. I agree with you 100% that the license appears to be very questionable, but something needs to be done, something more than nothing. I will read those other things tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PAKS4   10 #143 Posted August 4, 2013 Has somebody hacked your account?  First post I actually agree with  Thank you warrior,  Lots of good landlords are paying (unnecessarily?) to keep few bad ones under control. After 5 years many Eastern EU people will have integrated better. The license will not do that job, people willingness to connect and help each other to learn will do that.  Warrior, we both want page hall to recover, I don't belief my way is the only way and appreciate your language here and see you are right and make a good point on many issues here. I agree with you 100% that the license appears to be very questionable, but something needs to be done, something more than nothing. I will read those other things tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jim Hardie   517 #144 Posted August 4, 2013 And now a dispersal order for the next twelve weeks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...