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Because it was listed when the University bought it?

 

Exactly,they knew what they were buying.Its like buying an house next to the M1 and then complaining about the noise.

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We have a building at work thats listed and were probably the only ones in sheffield that know that so its hardly of national importance.

 

Yes - I've just looked at the list of listed buildings in Sheffield here;

 

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/planning-and-city-development/urban-design--conservation/listed-buildings.html

 

No idea there were so many - I'd defy anyone to explain how the majority are "nationally important and of special interest".

 

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Because it was listed when the University bought it?

 

Could it be "de-listed" as it appears to fail to meet the criteria English Heritage use?

 

Oh, and listed buildings can legitimately be demolished;

 

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/caring/listing/listed-buildings/

 

"Listing does not freeze a building in time, it simply means that listed building consent must be applied for in order to make any changes to that building which might affect its special interest. Listed buildings can be altered, extended and sometimes even demolished within government planning guidance. The local authority uses listed building consent to make decisions that balance the site's historic significance against other issues such as its function, condition or viability."

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Anyhow were going to have to wait and see what Eric Pickles thinks.What will be will be.Victory for one will be failure for the other.I worry that arguments over listing end up with buildings mysteriously collapsing or catching fire.Brighton west pier,sunnybank mill huddersfield and the railway viaduct on the tissington trail at ashbourne spring to mind.

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Yet again a very loud minority are rattling their pans.

 

The uni is a major part of this city. They clearly respect and work towards conservation when they can - they've renovated and maintained several old and listed buildings. Why can't people give them a break when it comes to them making the difficult decision to demolish a listed building. Personally I don't see historical importance and I don't see how it could be remotely useful for the uni. Keeping it for the sake of it just seems pointless.

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Its a good thing but i dont think its going to be the saviour of sheffields unemployed, its a specialist industry that requires highly intelligent people.Id have got excited if it was going to be something that gets sheffields unemployed working.I still dont think its enough to warrant demolishing a listed building

 

What's your solution then? Why are jobs for intelligent people a bad thing?

 

We have a chance here to build a facility that will attract manufacturing/ engineering jobs and companies to Sheffield, and retain the students educated here in the local economy.

 

For me, this more important than any NEXT/ IKEA selling cheap furniture or any vanity project airport or any of the other things that people on here are always bleating on about.

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Longcol, you asked a question, you got your answer.

 

If you believe that it was incorrectly listed you'd need to take it up with English Heritage because they do the listing.

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What's your solution then? Why are jobs for intelligent people a bad thing?

 

We have a chance here to build a facility that will attract manufacturing/ engineering jobs and companies to Sheffield, and retain the students educated here in the local economy.

 

For me, this more important than any NEXT/ IKEA selling cheap furniture or any vanity project airport or any of the other things that people on here are always bleating on about.

Because its not going to make the slightest bit of difference to the majority of sheffielders just the priviledged few.You dont care about NEXT and IKEA but there would have been a hell of a lot of sheffielders who would have jumped at the chance to have a job there.Ok they might not be nuclear scientists or metallurgists but they still deserve the chance to have a job.This is predominantly a working class city and needs everyday jobs not specialist jobs.And they would have been built on land that didnt have to have a listed building demolished.

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People are missing the point as did the planning department. If Sheffield University lost the planning decision it would not close down its engineering department. No Jobs would be lost. Sheffield University would not up sticks and leave.

 

The only thing that would happen is that the University would have to return to its original plan which included renovating the Edwardian wing. The previous design is available for you to see. I believe it is quoted on the Save Jessop Facebook Site.

 

Signing the petition is a huge number of present and past students as well as the Governments own adviser on listed buildings and a member of the University's own council (an architect who trained at Sheffield University)

 

The reason Sheffield has listed buildings is that people have made the argument to English Heritage and English heritage has looked at the argument and decided that such a building is important. In my opinion Jessop Hospital should have had a higher rating because it is important both socially and historically. It was one of the first of its kind offering free care to the poor pregnant woman before there was a NHS. It is an example by an architect whose work was unique to Sheffield and much of his work went in the bombing. If you read the peoples submission with the petition you will see how important this building is to the Sheffield people, how important from a heritage point of view, and how bad the design is considered by the University's own architect graduates.

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Because its not going to make the slightest bit of difference to the majority of sheffielders just the priviledged few.You dont care about NEXT and IKEA but there would have been a hell of a lot of sheffielders who would have jumped at the chance to have a job there.Ok they might not be nuclear scientists or metallurgists but they still deserve the chance to have a job.This is predominantly a working class city and needs everyday jobs not specialist jobs.And they would have been built on land that didnt have to have a listed building demolished.

 

So a couple of hundred manufacturing jobs are less important than a couple of hundred "working class" jobs.

 

Glad we've got things clear.

 

People are missing the point as did the planning department. If Sheffield University lost the planning decision it would not close down its engineering department. No Jobs would be lost. Sheffield University would not up sticks and leave

 

Well, it would have to be a smaller facility to accommodate the Jessops building that had to be preserved, so yes, jobs would be lost

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No they wouldn't. What is taking up the space is an atrium which many architects have agreed could quite easily be made smaller.

 

It is not about 10% of useful space. It is a badly designed building. Another design with a smaller atrium would have pleased everybody and we wouldn't be having this argument at all. This Building is badly designed. Since when did you give an architect a design and when he/she failed to meet the specifications insist that it should go ahead? Surely you should say go back and adjust the design?

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No they wouldn't. What is taking up the space is an atrium which many architects have agreed could quite easily be made smaller.

 

It is not about 10% of useful space. It is a badly designed building. Another design with a smaller atrium would have pleased everybody and we wouldn't be having this argument at all. This Building is badly designed. Since when did you give an architect a design and when he/she failed to meet the specifications insist that it should go ahead? Surely you should say go back and adjust the design?

 

If there was a like button I would have pressed it. The building design that has been submitted is full of unused space :S

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Beat's me why it is listed given that the definition for grade II listing is for buildings that are nationally important and of special interest.

 

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/site/about-listed-buildings/

 

Jessops "nationally important"? Never was, never will be.

 

English Heritage must have missed you off their panel of experts.

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