Sheffield Council - Do they take fixing pot holes seriously?

[the_rudeboy 12]

drivel?? lol try looking on the bbc website, thats where i read about pfi contracts being a farce!, as stated by the goverment who have looked into them for the last 2 years!!

 

 

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They think they're such a farce they've just introduced the new PFI2 scheme.

[dawny1970 10]

dont forget that its the taxpayer paying for this, and the companies profits as well, why cant scc do this themselves instead of giving extra money to another company to do exactly the same job thay they are supposed to be doing themselves!?

 

 

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[the_rudeboy 12]

dont forget that its the taxpayer paying for this, and the companies profits as well, why cant scc do this themselves instead of giving extra money to another company to do exactly the same job thay they are supposed to be doing themselves!?

 

 

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Because the government won't let them. The majority of the funding is direct from the government and if it was done directly by SCC it would count as public spending, by going the PFI route means it isn't.

[dawny1970 10]

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Because the government won't let them. The majority of the funding is direct from the government and if it was done directly by SCC it would count as public spending, by going the PFI route means it isn't.

 

so how has scc managed all these years then, or is the state of our roads testament to them not doing a proper job?

 

 

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[ricgem2002 11]

Because the government won't let them. The majority of the funding is direct from the government and if it was done directly by SCC it would count as public spending, by going the PFI route means it isn't.

pfi route and public spending same thing both paid by the tax payer

[Verdan 10]

why cant scc do this themselves instead of giving extra money to another company to do exactly the same job thay they are supposed to be doing themselves!?Posted from Sheffieldforum.co.uk App for Android

 

Because as you and other keep stating, Sheffield have been in charge of it for years, but the roads are in rubbish condition. Hence they decided more than 5yrs ago to start the PFI bidding process to get someone who is skilled in highway maintenance to do the job for them.

 

If you read around on this forum, all the comments about Amey's work so far has been "i cant wait to see......" and yet those who have seen say "what i saw was great".

 

As for your comments about side roads vs main roads, if you read the publicity, Amey and SCC have agreed to split the roads into "class" so that they do different areas at different times, plus they do the main routes separate to the side roads, thus hopefully not disrupting the entire journey around Sheffield.

 

Clearly though they cant carry out the works without closing the roads at some point, but diversions will be in place and the works done as quickly as possible, if nothing else but to make more profit as then Amey don have to pay for the traffic management for any long than they need to.

 

If they do mess up though, the contact is there to ensure the condition of the road, so poor condition = Amey fix it at their expense, or they get fined. With all the lawyers the council had set this up, I'd hope something as simple as that has very little "wiggle room", but without reading the full contract i cant comment further.

[the_rudeboy 12]

pfi route and public spending same thing both paid by the tax payer

 

Apologies, I should have said public borrowing. To you and I its the same, but its different when the government come to balance their books.

[Planner1 428]

Hence they decided more than 5yrs ago to start the PFI bidding process to get someone who is skilled in highway maintenance to do the job for them.

That's not true. They went down the PFI route because that is the only way they could raise enough money to fix the roads. Nothing to do with whether or not Streetforce could do the job. Amey have basically taken over Streetforce and the same engineers are designing and organising the works as before, with some reinforcements from Amey because of the sheer volume of work they're processing.

[andygardener 10]

That's not true. They went down the PFI route because that is the only way they could raise enough money to fix the roads. Nothing to do with whether or not Streetforce could do the job. Amey have basically taken over Streetforce and the same engineers are designing and organising the works as before, with some reinforcements from Amey because of the sheer volume of work they're processing.

 

Had they not made the roads a bit worse than those in downtown Mogadishu in the first place the bill to drag us out of the 3rd world roadwise would not be an issue.

[Planner1 428]

Had they not made the roads a bit worse than those in downtown Mogadishu in the first place the bill to drag us out of the 3rd world roadwise would not be an issue.

Part of the problem is a national one. Central government have been under funding road maintenance for decades.

 

Gross exaggeration doesn't aid your argument.

[anywebsite 10]

Part of the problem is a national one. Central government have been under funding road maintenance for decades.

 

Gross exaggeration doesn't aid your argument.

 

When I go anywhere else in this country I notice how smooth the roads are. Clearly other councils haven't neglected their road maintenance as much as SCC. Did Sheffield get a lot less funding than other councils, or was it just misspent? Maybe spent on other things in the hope they'd be bailed out? or the popular theory that they just hate anybody getting anywhere.

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[andygardener 10]

Part of the problem is a national one. Central government have been under funding road maintenance for decades.

 

Gross exaggeration doesn't aid your argument.

 

Do you think we're that stupid?

 

We know the council has deliberately underfunded the roads for decades. Drive across the border to Derbyshire..smooth roads.

 

You lot spent what little you allocate to roads on putting down thousands of speed bumps to compete with the potholes for what does the most damage to the responsible motorists vehicle.

 

SCC are a national disgrace when it comes to roads.