Sheffield Council - Do they take fixing pot holes seriously?

[Planner1 438]

My car maintenance budget rules take some exception with that statement

 

I did a quick trip to France last weekend. 613 miles there, 613 miles back. Except for the UK bit (about 200 miles down A1/M25/M20 to Folkestone - which was all in good nick, to be fair), not one pothole.

 

Admittedly most of it was motorway (and it still looks like they could teach UK peeps a thing or two about surfacing and finish), though a good 100 miles of it was A and B roads in a very rural part, deep in the Continent (near German border), so subjected to much higher temperature variations all years round (-20 to +40), and nearly as intense (and diverse) traffic.

 

It's just pleasant to drive to on clean, unpatched, smooth roads, dammit!

France is about double the size of the UK and has about the same population, so large tracts of it aren't that highly populated and so the roads don't get as much use.

 

Their motorways are mostly toll routes, so they raise the cash to keep them in good condition.

[dawny1970 10]

so there are no rules that the road has to be smooth, with the state of the roads and how tgey have been maintained for the last 10 years, that doesn't suprise me in the slightest, all the road maintance budget been spent on those stupid speed humps and not on road maintance, its only been mentioned for the last 4 years!!!

 

 

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[frededwards 10]

Hardly. The highways PFI contract is worth £2 billion!

 

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Modern pothole filling materials only need levelling off with a shovel or boot and tamping down, they don't need to be rolled like traditional materials.

 

The big money saving is that by repairing potholes like this, they don't have to put traffic management on (ie cones, signs, temporary traffic control etc), which costs a lot of money and has a long lead-in time.

 

The disadvantage is the surface isn't as smooth, but there are no rules that say it has to be.

 

Utter rubbish. Repairing in that way is just a bodge.

 

That's why, at the first sign of frost, the patching pops out leaving a road surface that is inferior to those in Kabul.

 

If you are going to continually try and be an apologist for your employer at least try and be plausable.

[L00b 441]

France is about double the size of the UK and has about the same population, so large tracts of it aren't that highly populated and so the roads don't get as much use.

You need to read my post again, I think

a good 100 miles of it was A and B roads in a very rural part, deep in the Continent (near German border), so subjected to much higher temperature variations all years round (-20 to +40), and nearly as intense (and diverse) traffic

How do they manage to get the tarmac/topping/surface/whatever material perfect and keept it that way, when we don't? The volume and diversity of traffic (cars, buses, artics, tractors, etc.) for the sections I'm on about (RN4) appear level with what I see around here.

 

Have you seen the A57 outside Worksop lately (towards Anston)? There are square yard sections of tarmac missing on both sides. That was the case before the 2010 big freeze, and repeatedly since. It literally is as if local/relevant roadworkers haven't got the foggiest how to repair a road surface durably.

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[lyndsey3012 10]

the council dont take anything seriously!!!

[heeleybird 10]

Hardly. The highways PFI contract is worth £2 billion!

 

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Private Finance Initative (PFI) how does this work for the roads?.

When schools were rebuilt under PFI it was understood that the school carried on as normal during school time at no extra cost to the local education authority but after hours activities were to be chargable thus giving the financier some income. How does the ' financier ' get income from the roads unless he charges a toll to actually use the road once its been repaired.

[dawny1970 10]

Private Finance Initative (PFI) how does this work for the roads?.

When schools were rebuilt under PFI it was understood that the school carried on as normal during school time at no extra cost to the local education authority but after hours activities were to be chargable thus giving the financier some income. How does the ' financier ' get income from the roads unless he charges a toll to actually use the road once its been repaired.

 

if they tried to pull that 1 in sheffield, well lets just say i wouldnt like to be the toll collecter, he isnt going to get anything, except lots of grief and told exactly what he coukd do with his idea to charge to drive on roads!!!

 

 

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[heeleybird 10]

if they tried to pull that 1 in sheffield, well lets just say i wouldnt like to be the toll collecter, he isnt going to get anything, except lots of grief and told exactly what he coukd do with his idea to charge to drive on roads!!!

 

 

yes but it still doesn't answer the question of where does the private financier get his reward from.

Nobody is going to bring Sheffield roads up to a good state of repair simply because they love Sheffield, there has to be something in it for them and I am just asking....what!

 

Planner1 has said that this PFI is worth up to 2 billion pound, is that what it costs to do all Sheffields roads or is it the reward mmmm

[MikeOnline 10]

Utter rubbish. Repairing in that way is just a bodge.

 

That's why, at the first sign of frost, the patching pops out leaving a road surface that is inferior to those in Kabul.

 

If you are going to continually try and be an apologist for your employer at least try and be plausable.

 

If done correctly you can lay Cold tar and it will last as long as any other.

[dawny1970 10]

Quote:

 

Originally Posted by frededwards

 

Utter rubbish. Repairing in that way is just a bodge.

 

That's why, at the first sign of frost, the patching pops out leaving a road surface that is inferior to those in Kabul.

 

If you are going to continually try and be an apologist for your employer at least try and be plausable.

 

If done correctly you can lay Cold tar and it will last as long as any other.

 

what you are refering to is called ultracrete, its a specialist form of concrete, this i saw was tarmac, and the way it was being layed on the pothole, it will be out in 2 weeks!!, planner1, if you think that its acceptable way to fix pot holes then you have just conclusivly demonstrated how incometent you and the council really are!!!

 

 

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[mapleboy 10]

what you are refering to is called ultracrete, its a specialist form of concrete, this i saw was tarmac, and the way it was being layed on the pothole, it will be out in 2 weeks!!, planner1, if you think that its acceptable way to fix pot holes then you have just conclusivly demonstrated how incometent you and the council really are!!!

 

 

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Quite. There's the office-based staff's view of how potholes are repaired, based mostly on manufacturer's bumph and no practical experience of doing the job themselves, and how the workforce lays the material in the real world. These, sadly, are often not the same.

 

The way I've seen Street Farce repairing potholes in the past being, frankly, a joke. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about on this. One can only hope the management at Amey manage to bludgeon "the old ways" out of the workforce they have inherited. I predict they may well find this something of an uphill struggle.

[Planner1 438]

this i saw was tarmac, and the way it was being layed on the pothole, it will be out in 2 weeks!!, planner1, if you think that its acceptable way to fix pot holes then you have just conclusivly demonstrated how incometent you and the council really are!!!

 

 

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Would you like to share with us your experience and qualifications in highway engineering which allow you to reach this conclusion?

 

The material they use is specifically designed to work that way and they are following manufacturers instructions.

 

Oh, and no, it won't be out in 2 weeks. It may not look pretty, but it is effective and it lasts just as long as a traditional repair. The are several patches like that on my street which have been in for years and are showing no signs of lifting.

 

This is the kind of stuff they use: http://www.tarmac.co.uk/products_and_services/asphalt/repairmaster.aspx

 

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How do they manage to get the tarmac/topping/surface/whatever material perfect and keept it that way, when we don't? The volume and diversity of traffic (cars, buses, artics, tractors, etc.) for the sections I'm on about (RN4) appear level with what I see around here.

It's HGV's which wear roads out.

 

If their roads appear smoother / newer, it's maybe because they are resurfaced more often, or somewhat more lightly used, so last longer.

 

Different countries have different requirements for materials too.