flamingjimmy   10 #37 Posted November 13, 2012 If your argument cannot stand up to scrutiny, then its nothing more than a theory.  But my argument can stand up to scrutiny, and it's much more than a theory: it's a truth, established by pure logic.  If you see a hole in it please do point it out but simply telling me it doesn't stand up to scrutiny without telling me what your scrutiny has revealed about it is pretty bad form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #38 Posted November 13, 2012 I have been thinking long and hard and I still cannot find any solution to the God problem.  Lots of people have been doing the same thing for centuries and come to the same conclusion. Perhaps there is none. Perhaps life is too short to worry and fight about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
flamingjimmy   10 #39 Posted November 13, 2012 Classic quote from that great thinker 'Niel' from the inbetweeners.  Erm I think that quote might predate the inbetweeners by a few decades or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WeX   10 #40 Posted November 13, 2012 But my argument can stand up to scrutiny, and it's much more than a theory: it's a truth, established by pure logic. If you see a hole in it please do point it out but simply telling me it doesn't stand up to scrutiny without telling me what your scrutiny has revealed about it is pretty bad form.  Your interpretation of logic is your personal opinion. This is why we have peer review for scientific theories. They are scrutinised and tested by others to insure they are correct. Only then are they considered to be true or as close as we can get. You're just stating your argument is "pure logic" without giving any evidence to back this up. Just saying its something doesn't make it so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stevie1957   10 #41 Posted November 13, 2012 Eric Clapton is grossly overrated actually.  That’s a matter of opinion. The point I was making is, anyone can be your God. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
stevie1957 Â Â 10 #42 Posted November 13, 2012 God is whatever you want him/her to be. Easy. Â ..... ...... ..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #43 Posted November 13, 2012 Your interpretation of logic is your personal opinion. This is why we have peer review for scientific theories. They are scrutinised and tested by others to insure they are correct. Only then are they considered to be true or as close as we can get. You're just stating your argument is "pure logic" without giving any evidence to back this up. Just saying its something doesn't make it so.  It's a mathematical argument he's making not a scientific one. FJ is arguing from the viewpoint of reductio ad absurdum and since he reaches a contradictory conclusion the premise given is false. That's all that is needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
flamingjimmy   10 #44 Posted November 13, 2012 Your interpretation of logic is your personal opinion. This is why we have peer review for scientific theories. They are scrutinised and tested by others to insure they are correct. Mine is not a scientific theory though, it is a logical argument. And my interpretation of logic is correct, and not at all a personal opinion, you do not seem to understand it though. It's actually better than a scientific theory because my argument, if sound and valid, will be correct for all time, and no amount of evidence can change it. Only then are they considered to be true or as close as we can get. You're just stating your argument is "pure logic" without giving any evidence to back this up. Just saying its something doesn't make it so.I gave you the complete argument, in concise and simple terms, it stands unless you can fault it, and does not require evidence. EDIT: Obelix put that much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
regatta   10 #45 Posted November 13, 2012 The red indians prayed to a totem pole and we called them savages ect, at least they prayed to something they could see and feel. so what does that make us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #46 Posted November 13, 2012 Same with the Aborigines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WeX Â Â 10 #47 Posted November 13, 2012 It's a mathematical argument he's making not a scientific one. FJ is arguing from the viewpoint of reductio ad absurdum and since he reaches a contradictory conclusion the premise given is false. That's all that is needed. Â Logic is not purely mathematics and quoting Latin does not make you appear more intelligent. Â This whole argument is subject to interpretation and FJ's interpretation is one of many. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #48 Posted November 13, 2012 Logic is not purely mathematics and quoting Latin does not make you appear more intelligent. This whole argument is subject to interpretation and FJ's interpretation is one of many.  Pulling people up for using the commonly accepted term for it doesn't make your argument any better either. I'd expected better of you Wex. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...