Hillsborough document release

[Darth Vader 10]

He was hardly going to say anything else was he? Political suicide if he had.

 

I have NEVER seen the House of Commons, across all parties, so unified and humble, and human. This goes beyond politics today.

 

Just say what you're dying to say instead of pussyfooting around, we've heard it before and no doubt we'll still hear it, but at least now we know what it is.

[Strix 11]

and if the gate had not been opened would a different set of fans have been crushed?

 

Despite all the inquests and papers and reports all we actually know is that there were people who came late, a gate got opened, they went down a tunnel and crushed the people at the front - but now we know those in authority lied.

 

it has been proven that the wrong gate was opened. Crowd management dictated that the two side gates should have been opened

 

I think we're also conveniently forgetting that unseated terraces meant people fell downhill and tripped into those in front of them. Are you blaming those people too?

[anywebsite 10]

The Report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel 7mb PDF.

[frededwards 10]

The normal people of Sheffield have nothing to be ashamed of.

 

The police and politicians involved however, should be relentlessly pursued to the full extent of the law.

[alchemist 35]

In recent days on TV, I saw the account of a supporter who was 15 years old at the time. He said the man next to him saved his life, as he was about to sink to a pocket of space to give him more room, but the man next to him warned him he would be gone if he did this. At the same time a man in front of him, who the fan now had his back to, as he had become twisted around, was begging him to give him more space, as he was having a heart attack. There was nowhere for the 15 year old to go, no way of allowing the man in front of him more space. Are you suggesting the 15 year old should be held responsible for the older fan's death? Or are you prepared to accept the truth that has now finally come out?

 

I am NOT saying that those in front or even in the region of those who died were responsible. I am thinking more of the ones at the back.

[Obelix 11]

Im sorry that I have to bring this point up, but who DID kill the poor victims then? AFAIK, and I assume the report confirms this, the fans died of crush related injuries. To have such injuries must indicate that someone crushed them. Whilst the police were responsible for a great deal of contributary factors they were not the ones who did the "crushing" surely?

 

If you go down a tunnel into the pens, you expect there to be space. So you walk forwards. With a large mass of people it doesnt take much in the way of pressure on each person to create a very large pressue on the persons at the front. The people at the back didn't know there was a problem, the people at the middle just thought it was a bit cramped (but they'd soon get into the pens) the people at the exit of the tunnel though "wow these pens are full" and it's very cramped, please stop pushing and the people at the front by then had so many little pushes piling up on them that they were past thinking much of anything at all.

 

No one individually is to blame in that.

 

Now, those who told them where to go, without checking that it was safe, they bear a great deal of responsibility for the consequent outcome.

[gamezone07 23]

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-37068.html

 

 

Just found this in the SF archive, lots of praise for Irvine Patnick, wonder what his supporters will say now....

[pottedplant 10]

In recent days on TV, I saw the account of a supporter who was 15 years old at the time. He said the man next to him saved his life, as he was about to sink to a pocket of space to give him more room, but the man next to him warned him he would be gone if he did this. At the same time a man in front of him, who the fan now had his back to, as he had become twisted around, was begging him to give him more space, as he was having a heart attack. There was nowhere for the 15 year old to go, no way of allowing the man in front of him more space. Are you suggesting the 15 year old should be held responsible for the older fan's death? Or are you prepared to accept the truth that has now finally come out?

 

I saw the same program and saw the despair in the eyes of the police officer who described how he tried to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a young boy as coins were being thrown onto him.......I hope he carries also no guilt or responsibility for his actions that day.

[joe 98 10]

i would like to khnow when it eill be realesed to the public does anyone no ??

[pottedplant 10]

it has been proven that the wrong gate was opened. Crowd management dictated that the two side gates should have been opened

 

I think we're also conveniently forgetting that unseated terraces meant people fell downhill and tripped into those in front of them. Are you blaming those people too?

 

I was asking a question not apportioning blame.

[Strix 11]

I saw the same program and saw the despair in the eyes of the police officer who described how he tried to give mouth to mouth resuscitation to a young boy as coins were being thrown onto him.......I hope he carries also no guilt or responsibility for his actions that day.

 

I wonder how many people there could so much as get a hand in a pocket, let alone throw the contents

[fallen1 10]

Shame on Sheffield, shame on Sheffield police.