56.7% of birth in London to foreign mums

[boyfriday 21]

Hey boyfriday,

 

I'm not an ex-pat. I'm a California native, as are my children and husband. My token yank status comes from the time I spent as a mod. One of only two Americans (Happy Hoosier was the other one) among the Brits. And everyone was lovely to us.

Oops, I wrongly assumed you were a Brit, I have to ask what drew you to the forum then?

 

I know, you all consider the Daily Mail a rag.

It is a rag Sierra because it consistently puts a xenophobic slant and often lies in the stories it publishes.

I did read the article, and still can't see what everyone is upset about. The facts don't change. There are a lot of foreign born women in your country having babies.

I think it's the people who see this as a problem who are getting upset.

People don't come to England to abuse the NHS? Of course they do!

I didn't say they don't but the inference in the article is that 56% of the births in London are down to such 'benefit tourists', when it will actually be a minute number, foreigners don't have an automatic right to use the services of the NHS for free.

It would make more sense if they presented a clearer picture of who these women are, why they're here, if they plan to stay or leave after their babies are born.

Ah, that is precisely my point, making such bold statements without describing who they are and their benefit status is why I described the article as irksome! They might all be married to British citizens, be foreign students or Saudi billionaires for all we know

[mj.scuba 10]

There is an article in today's Metro. Around 25.5% of people born in the UK in 2011 were born to foreign born mothers. That's means a whopping 75% were born to British mothers. What does foreign borm mother mean anyway, a British citizen who may have been born an Australian 35 years ago? When will people realise that stats can mean anything people want them to mean? With the sort of stats banded around in the OP, it can only come from the Daily Fail in a poor attempt to influence, scaremonger and inflame public opinion.

 

Ah yes the Daily Fail, or erm, the BBC, The Telegraph, The Guardian, the ONS.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19427776

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9508687/Record-number-of-babies-born-to-foreign-born-mothers.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/davehillblog/2012/may/22/london-birth-to-mothers-born-overseas

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/parents--country-of-birth--england-and-wales/2010/births-in-england-and-wales-by-parents--country-of-birth--2010.html

 

The link from the ONS gives a vitally important stat:

The total fertility rates have risen to 1.88 for UK born women and 2.45 for non-UK born women

 

That means if it wasn't for the portion of foreigners giving birth here, our population would actually start to go down. For those of us that recognise that population growth is a problem, this is why the high number of foreign borns is a problem as they're pushing our population ever higher.

[Happ Hazzard 10]

London isn't really part of England anymore IMO. We should have our own capital like the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish do.

[ronthenekred 10]

London isn't really part of England anymore IMO. We should have our own capital like the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish do.

 

My vote goes to Donny.

 

not Osmond, that would be silly.

[anywebsite 10]

Hey boyfriday,

 

I'm not an ex-pat. I'm a California native, as are my children and husband. My token yank status comes from the time I spent as a mod. One of only two Americans (Happy Hoosier was the other one) among the Brits. And everyone was lovely to us.

 

In any case, I'm comparing the 43% of babies with foreign born mothers in California (pop. 36 million) to London's (pop. 8 million) 56.7 % of babies with foreign born mothers. In fact, the number of babies with foreign born mothers in London exceeds all 50 states in the US. 312,000,000 people. Even with the fourteenth amendment, London's percentage is still higher than ours. That is unbelievable. And I'm not going to lie, we have problems. Not everyone assimilates happily.

 

I know, you all consider the Daily Mail a rag. I did read the article, and still can't see what everyone is upset about. The facts don't change. There are a lot of foreign born women in your country having babies. People don't come to England to abuse the NHS? Of course they do! It would make more sense if they presented a clearer picture of who these women are, why they're here, if they plan to stay or leave after their babies are born.

 

London is a city not a state, it's not a fair comparison.

 

According to Wikipedia NYC, LA, HK, Paris & Toronto have higher foreign born populations than London. London doesn't even make the top 10 list percentage wise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_born#Cities.2FRegions_With_Largest_Foreign_Born_Populations

 

Anyway what exactly is the problem?

[Mecky 10]

Ah yes the Daily Fail, or erm, the BBC, The Telegraph, The Guardian, the ONS.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19427776

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9508687/Record-number-of-babies-born-to-foreign-born-mothers.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/davehillblog/2012/may/22/london-birth-to-mothers-born-overseas

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/parents--country-of-birth--england-and-wales/2010/births-in-england-and-wales-by-parents--country-of-birth--2010.html

 

The link from the ONS gives a vitally important stat:

The total fertility rates have risen to 1.88 for UK born women and 2.45 for non-UK born women

 

That means if it wasn't for the portion of foreigners giving birth here, our population would actually start to go down. For those of us that recognise that population growth is a problem, this is why the high number of foreign borns is a problem as they're pushing our population ever higher.

 

 

Ah yes the Daily Fail, or erm, the BBC, The Telegraph, The Guardian, the ONS.

 

The OP did not mention the BBC, The Telegraph, The Guardian, the ONS (Quango).

 

 

That means if it wasn't for the portion of foreigners giving birth here, our population would actually start to go down.

 

That's great logic, you'll go far

[boyfriday 21]

Ah yes the Daily Fail, or erm, the BBC, The Telegraph, The Guardian, the ONS.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19427776

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9508687/Record-number-of-babies-born-to-foreign-born-mothers.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/davehillblog/2012/may/22/london-birth-to-mothers-born-overseas

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/parents--country-of-birth--england-and-wales/2010/births-in-england-and-wales-by-parents--country-of-birth--2010.html

 

The link from the ONS gives a vitally important stat:

The total fertility rates have risen to 1.88 for UK born women and 2.45 for non-UK born women

 

That means if it wasn't for the portion of foreigners giving birth here, our population would actually start to go down. For those of us that recognise that population growth is a problem, this is why the high number of foreign borns is a problem as they're pushing our population ever higher.

 

 

..the fertility rates amongst foreigners will be higher, because a larger percentage are of child bearing age.

[boyfriday 21]

Hey boyfriday,

 

I'm not an ex-pat. I'm a California native, as are my children and husband. My token yank status comes from the time I spent as a mod. One of only two Americans (Happy Hoosier was the other one) among the Brits. And everyone was lovely to us.

 

Actually thinking about it I guess my point still stands..unless you're descended from native Americans. Please spare my embarrassment if you are!

[Halibut 12]

A contradiction in terms isn't it.

 

No, not really.

[Bypassblade 10]

And yet London is one of the greatest cities in the world and the northeast is erm, the northeast.

 

London is a toilet, lets be honest; the city might be okay, but the rest is a dump & the city only covers 1 square mile. It must be THE most overrated place going

[Dragonfall 10]

Do you believe that mothers born outside the UK are somehow less desirable than UK born ones?

If so, why?

 

It's indicative of a massive cultural change taking place in the UK - so worthy of being commented on, from whichever viewpoint you take.

[boyfriday 21]

It's indicative of a massive cultural change taking place in the UK - so worthy of being commented on, from whichever viewpoint you take.

 

That doesn't really address the poster's questions.

 

Can you quantify the 'massive cultural change' and how you believe it might affect you?