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Then post some facts about the amount of immigration into the UK over Labour’s terms of office, demonstrate how they contributed to the country and how we all benefited, show us how this influx of immigrants didn’t contribute demand for public services and housing and disprove my assertion that some came here for benefits and health care. Show us how well teacher are coping with the influx of non English speaking children and explain why Millerand as now apologised for getting it wrong about immigration.

 

 

The countries that have a population density greater than England also have more poverty, so on that basis I agree we can get more people into the country as long as you are happy with increased poverty and a decrease in public services.

Labour policy of mass immigration didn’t concern its self in how it would affect the population; there only interest was to increase support for their party.

 

But as everyone said, media and the press are politically orientated and try to inflame public opinion for whatever reason. Why not apply stats in a positive manner? Was it Russel Brand who said "Newspapers don't sell news, they peddle opinions?"

 

I doubt Japan has more poverty than the UK.

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Do you actually read anything anyone writes or just see the word immigrant and then spout the same rhetoric about xenophobia, or we always had immigrants or we’ve always been a multicultural country.
I didn't mention xenophobia.

The discussion is about uncontrolled immigration which was the deliberate policy of the labour party over the past decade and was intended to boost their political support,

You can't make a statement and simply believe it will be accepted as fact.

it isn't about immigrants or immigration over the past 100 years, no one has claimed we don’t have a place for immigration,

But post war immigrants play their part in this belief that the country is 'full', without them presumably the country wouldnt appear as full as it is. Incidentally you certainly gave me the impression that you believed there's no place for immigration and it was on that basis I was challenging your statements..my historic references are intended to demonstrate that.

it’s the uncontrolled immigration that as caused the problems, too many people came here too quickly and it cause mass unemployment, overloaded public services, .contributed to low wages, high housing costs, and contributed to poverty.

..and it isn't happening anymore. End of argument.

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But as everyone said, media and the press are politically orientated and try to inflame public opinion for whatever reason. Why not apply stats in a positive manner?

 

I doubt Japan has more poverty than the UK.

Japanese slums.

 

One doesn’t need to read the press to see the consequences of mass immigration. The press and government stats just back up what can be seen.

It’s not rocket science to grasp that an increase in population on an island with limited resources will mean less for everyone.

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Maybe that's because immigrants are not a single homogeneous group. Clearly, not ALL immigrants are benefit scroungers, and not ALL immigrants are here to work and pay their way either.

 

Maybe it would be useful for those who are busy banging a drum to remember this.

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I didn't mention xenophobia.

 

My apologies if it wasn't you.

 

You can't make a statement and simply believe it will be accepted as fact.

I didn't, I posted a link to support it.

 

But post war immigrants play their part in this belief that the country is 'full', without them presumably the country wouldnt appear as full as it is.
They aren't the cause of the recent increase in population and the problems it has caused.

 

 

Incidentally you certainly gave me the impression that you believed there's no place for immigration and it was on that basis I was challenging your statements..my historic references are intended to demonstrate that.

..and it isn't happening anymore. End of argument.

 

You must have been reading my posts with blinkers on then, or you haven't bothered to read everything I've post on this topic.

This is the problem with discussion, when you but in half way though without first reading all the posts it puts things out of context.

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One group of xenophobes who claim that immigrants are here to claim benefits and use the NHS.

The other group who claim that they have caused unemployment and driven up housing costs.

 

Yeah! Anybody who criticises mass immigration is a xenophobe, racist or worse. Fraid that 'argument' has had it's day. Even Milliband acknowledges this.

 

Can you clarify please, are the immigrants all here claiming benefits, or are they all here stealing our jobs and probably women, it can't be both.

 

Nobody is remotely claiming this.

 

There are countries which are far worse off than the UK for population numbers and land area.

 

That's right! Unless we continue with this madness, we can't claim the title of 'Most Overcrowded Country on Earth'!

 

..and it isn't happening anymore. End of argument.

 

That's it. Mods, can you please close this thread? 'Boy' has spoken. (again).

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Take a chill pill, everyone.

 

...and now that Hollande's first budget has been voted in for good (grab your Google translator and witness what socialists coming-back-to-power-in-the-current-crisis looks like), brace for more rich and/or skilled (and not so skilled) French furreiners coming over shortly :thumbsup:

 

Amongst the first budgetary measures? Tax, and remove social contributions relief from, overtime. That is expected to bring in half (€4.5bn) of the extra tax take (€9.2bn). Bet the 'workers' are really glad they voted him in. Serves'em right :twisted:

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That's it. Mods, can you please close this thread? 'Boy' has spoken. (again).

 

You're taking on all the qualities of someone who suffers from a persecution complex or borderline personality disorder.

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There's a bit of a dichotomy on this thread.

 

One group of xenophobes who claim that immigrants are here to claim benefits and use the NHS.

The other group who claim that they have caused unemployment and driven up housing costs.

 

Can you clarify please, are the immigrants all here claiming benefits, or are they all here stealing our jobs and probably women, it can't be both.

 

I'm not sure that wanting a controlled immigration policy should label someone as a xenophobe...

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I'm not sure that wanting a controlled immigration policy should label someone as a xenophobe...

 

Is anybody actually advocating an uncontrolled immigration policy?

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I'm not sure that wanting a controlled immigration policy should label someone as a xenophobe...

 

I think the problem lies truman when it's impossible to have a grown up conversation about this..it's indisputable that some posters use this forum to articulate their dislike of foreigners and dress it up with the kind of rhetoric that they come here steal our jobs/benefits/houses etc. Certainly some of that is true, but their arguments would have substantially more credibility if they had a balanced view and could equally articulate the many benefits immigrants bring to this country too, otherwise the baby is ejected with the bath water.

 

The fact is, that since the introduction of the 'points system' the failings in Labour's immigration policy have been addressed, so frankly re-hashing old news as contemporary fact I see as being divisive.

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I think the problem lies truman when it's impossible to have a grown up conversation about this..it's indisputable that some posters use this forum to articulate their dislike of foreigners and dress it up with the kind of rhetoric that they come here steal our jobs/benefits/houses etc. Certainly some of that is true, but their arguments would have substantially more credibility if they had a balanced view and could equally articulate the many benefits immigrants bring to this country too, otherwise the baby is ejected with the bath water.

 

The fact is, that since the introduction of the 'points system' the failings in Labour's immigration policy have been addressed, so frankly re-hashing old news as contemporary fact I see as being divisive.

 

As soon as anyone mentions limiting immigration they are usually,on here anyway,labelled as a xenophobe..it just looks as though those doing the labelling can bring no other argument to bear...it's a bit poor really..

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