Tradescanthia   10 #61 Posted July 22, 2012 Interesting to see such positive comments from Gleadless, some 15 miles form the site. Maybe people who live closest are best placed to comment be that positively or negatively. The future nature park is not a reality as yet only a proposal the site is there and people know that but most people in and around Chapeltown don't really care what happens and to be truthful I wasn't that bothered at first but when you start to read the proposals properly then you start to see the holes, the problems and the possibility of it all going wrong like so many times before.  Recycoal have no interest in any impact on the area, be it environmental or social. All they are bothered about is £££££££££££'s. Most people DONT take an interest until it starts to affect them, by which time its often too late. I doubt any jobs will be created locally, the operatives will be brought in from the last job Recycoal did, along with all the specialist machinery. I say again, if you think you've seen MUCK, you aint seen nothing yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
coppernut   10 #62 Posted July 22, 2012 nimrod you are right the only real benefactors of this scheme is recycoal.  I also doubt whether jobs would be for the "locals" as Recycoal is based in Doncaster - not far for the experienced staff they have used before to travel.  I attended the public meeting last week. Recycoal had laid it out as an exhibition and said there was no public meeting - that was until all the public turned up and then chairs were set out. I don't think they expected such a turn out - even though the whole of Chapeltown had not been informed. There was not enough time for all the questions to be put forward to the meeting.  It was asked at the meeting if there would definitely be enough money for the nature park or have people been given false promises like the development across the main road on the industrial estate (I do not know what was promised there but apparently it did not materialise). The representative from recycoal said they COULD take out insurance to make sure there would be enough money left. They could, not would!  As for the noise problem - again they COULD cut the working day (from 7 a.m. - 7p.m. to 8.30a.m. - 5.30p.m.) when the nosiest work near to the houses was being done. Again could, not would. So in a roundabout way they are admitting there will be a lot of noise.  Remember these are could promises - not written in the plans so once the plans are passed Recycoal would revert back to what is in the planning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SV500 Â Â 10 #63 Posted July 22, 2012 They said the factories/units on the other site were to be "sympathetic" to the area and the woodland next to it, All to create the least visual impact to the area .. .. So standard huge white ones then,the place is an eye sore from all over Ecclesfield, Â I just hope whatever is decided actualy turns out OK for everyone local JJ.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
mh01   10 #64 Posted July 22, 2012 I find your comments interesting as I have lived on the Cowley estate since 1973 and even in the days of the coking plant have never had coal dust on my property or car. As for the scheme there are some benefits to it happening but is the cost to the local residents and environment worth it?  Here are some facts about the scheme: -  the excavation will take 36 months they will dig 3.3 million cubic metres of spoil they hope to recover 395000 tonnes of coal they will sell the coal for £30 million the restoration of the site will take 6 months, land shaping and planting the worst areas of contaimination will not be reclaimed just buried and capped the trees that are replanted will take 10 to 15 years to grow to the same height and density as the present trees Recycoal will maintain the site for 5 years after completion  Tonights meeting was very well attended about 150 residents attended and the majority feel the scheme isn't worth the upset and negative impact on the area.  What is important is that the views of local residents are reflected at the planning meeting and that anyone who has a view or opinion shares it with the local autority either in writing or via the online planning website before the end of July. The Parish council is debating the application on 7th August so they need the views to assist in their discussions.  the Northern Community Assembly is intending to facilitate further local meetings for those people with an interest. what is important is that the views of local residents are reflected! complete & utter garbage ya nimbys, let them get on with it & look at the long term improvements Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Gazza58   10 #65 Posted July 22, 2012 nimrod you are right the only real benefactors of this scheme is recycoal. I also doubt whether jobs would be for the "locals" as Recycoal is based in Doncaster - not far for the experienced staff they have used before to travel.  I attended the public meeting last week. Recycoal had laid it out as an exhibition and said there was no public meeting - that was until all the public turned up and then chairs were set out. I don't think they expected such a turn out - even though the whole of Chapeltown had not been informed. There was not enough time for all the questions to be put forward to the meeting.  It was asked at the meeting if there would definitely be enough money for the nature park or have people been given false promises like the development across the main road on the industrial estate (I do not know what was promised there but apparently it did not materialise). The representative from recycoal said they COULD take out insurance to make sure there would be enough money left. They could, not would!  As for the noise problem - again they COULD cut the working day (from 7 a.m. - 7p.m. to 8.30a.m. - 5.30p.m.) when the nosiest work near to the houses was being done. Again could, not would. So in a roundabout way they are admitting there will be a lot of noise.  Remember these are could promises - not written in the plans so once the plans are passed Recycoal would revert back to what is in the planning.  You say the only benefactors is recycoal,well if the nature park is completed then thats obviously not true,who benefits from the area now,the motorcyclists who noise we have to put up with every weekend for god knows how many years,why not put some effort in getting that stopped instead of trying to stop a scheme which will improve the area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dynoman   10 #66 Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) nimrod you are right the only real benefactors of this scheme is recycoal. I also doubt whether jobs would be for the "locals" as Recycoal is based in Doncaster - not far for the experienced staff they have used before to travel.  I attended the public meeting last week. Recycoal had laid it out as an exhibition and said there was no public meeting - that was until all the public turned up and then chairs were set out. I don't think they expected such a turn out - even though the whole of Chapeltown had not been informed. There was not enough time for all the questions to be put forward to the meeting.  It was asked at the meeting if there would definitely be enough money for the nature park or have people been given false promises like the development across the main road on the industrial estate (I do not know what was promised there but apparently it did not materialise). The representative from recycoal said they COULD take out insurance to make sure there would be enough money left. They could, not would!  As for the noise problem - again they COULD cut the working day (from 7 a.m. - 7p.m. to 8.30a.m. - 5.30p.m.) when the nosiest work near to the houses was being done. Again could, not would. So in a roundabout way they are admitting there will be a lot of noise.  Remember these are could promises - not written in the plans so once the plans are passed Recycoal would revert back to what is in the planning.  What i found a bit bewildering was when asked why the land shouldnt be left alone the spokesman for recycoal responded by saying that due to health and safety reasons something has got to be done with the land, be it the recovery of the coal on there or something else, but then further into the meeting they made a comment about certain chemicals that are in the ground, such as benzamine and arsnic to name a few and that these chemicals would not be removed and the ground that they are contaminating would be capped WHEN located.  So if something has got to be done due to health and safety reasons, WHY ARE THEY NOT GOING TO REMOVE THESE CONTAMINATES?  Worrying Edited July 23, 2012 by dynoman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
coppernut   10 #67 Posted July 23, 2012 They are not removing the contaminates because it would be expensive and eat into their profits!  Also what are the public expecting of the nature park?  The representative from Recycoal stated that they would not be bringing topsoil onto the site. So the landscape will be like it is now only 30 years of growth, habitat and wildlife lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eckolad   10 #68 Posted July 23, 2012 They are not removing the contaminates because it would be expensive and eat into their profits! Also what are the public expecting of the nature park?  The representative from Recycoal stated that they would not be bringing topsoil onto the site. So the landscape will be like it is now only 30 years of growth, habitat and wildlife lost.  That's complete rubbish. When they have remediated the site they will use soil on the site and add stuff to create a topsoil.  I would suggest you look at the grimethorpe stack as an example Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
chapowlo   10 #69 Posted July 23, 2012 That's complete rubbish. When they have remediated the site they will use soil on the site and add stuff to create a topsoil.  I would suggest you look at the grimethorpe stack as an example  Were you at the meeting? I would suggest not so to make such a demeaning statement as "complete rubbish" is uncalled for and unjustified.  The Recycoal representative did state there would be no soil imported to the site in response to questions from the floor, in the written answers provided they also re-iterated that site traffic would be 2 or 3 truck movements per hour removing recovered coal only and the return of empty trucks. If you also read the supporting documentation to the planning application you will not the make reference to exist soils and containment on site to allow progressive restoration following excavations. they also identify an area on the plans as storage of soils for regrading works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eckolad   10 #70 Posted July 27, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-18994664 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
truman   10 #71 Posted July 27, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-18994664  Would you rather have that or an unsightly tip...hard choice isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eckolad   10 #72 Posted July 27, 2012 Would you rather have that or an unsightly tip...hard choice isn't it?  Well cut your nose to spite your face comes to.mind Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...