New Sheffield Bus Network- good or bad for the public?

[24-springer 10]

The scheme is now available to view in full online, though surprisingly not on the PTE website!!

 

http://www.forum.sy-transport.co.uk/index.cgi?action=display&board=buses&thread=17745&page=2#220565

 

A hell of a lot of service reductions planned by the council and SYPTE, some areas losing their evening services like Birley or Hackenthorpe on the 42/44, or some areas losing their buses altogether like Psalters Lane, Grimesthorpe and Ringinglow.

 

Why can't they just leave things alone! We've had all this before with Optio Orange last suummer. Once again SYPTE and the council try to step in and make things much worse for the passengers. Looks like the fares are going up too to pay for the scheme. Now going to be £17 for the week according to the link above, rather than £11 as I pay now with Stagecoach. Bloody typical!!!!

[sheffbag 230]

You are missing the point, the operators have little say in this. Obviously Stagecoach (the PTE's best friend) will come out of it better off than any other, but it is very much a case of do what we say or we will hit you with this big stick called quality contracts. When your bus sevice is reduced and your choices are withdrawn remember who drew the plans up.

 

Already the 69 will be reduced to every 30 minutes in order to give the tram train and BRT schemes a reason to exist.

 

The PTE's best friend? are you sure about this or is this just the usual PTE bashing that about 70% of yours posts are about. The operators have a very big say in this as the are private companies and can always walk away from an area as they have done in other parts of the country (see Devon and Cornwall). Certainly on all the dealings i have had with the likes of First and Stagecoach I know just how much power they have in things like this.

 

The bus partnership is completely seperate to the one (since the other will not happen now via Waverley) BRT scheme that will eventually operate via M-Hell as you are probably aware but choose to ignore the fact that your claim regarding the 69 going to every 30 minutes will have absolutely zero impact in the already approved business case, funding and plans for the BRT. but why let facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

 

If you wish to scaremonger at least get something of substance and logic behind your claims.

[sheffbag 230]

You are missing the point, the operators have little say in this. Obviously Stagecoach (the PTE's best friend) will come out of it better off than any other, but it is very much a case of do what we say or we will hit you with this big stick called quality contracts. When your bus sevice is reduced and your choices are withdrawn remember who drew the plans up.

 

Already the 69 will be reduced to every 30 minutes in order to give the tram train and BRT schemes a reason to exist.

 

And just for clarification

 

http://www.sheffieldbuspartnership.co.uk/routes/69

 

unchanged at 20 min.

[Andy C 86]

The scheme is now available to view in full online, though surprisingly not on the PTE website!!

 

http://www.forum.sy-transport.co.uk/index.cgi?action=display&board=buses&thread=17745&page=2#220565

 

A hell of a lot of service reductions planned by the council and SYPTE, some areas losing their evening services like Birley or Hackenthorpe on the 42/44, or some areas losing their buses altogether like Psalters Lane, Grimesthorpe and Ringinglow.

 

Why can't they just leave things alone! We've had all this before with Optio Orange last suummer. Once again SYPTE and the council try to step in and make things much worse for the passengers. Looks like the fares are going up too to pay for the scheme. Now going to be £17 for the week according to the link above, rather than £11 as I pay now with Stagecoach. Bloody typical!!!!

 

The link quoted above is NOT an official site.

 

The OFFICIAL consultation website is now live at http://www.sheffieldbuspartnership.co.uk and includes a map of the proposed changed network, a list of every bus route with what changes are proposed and a link to comment on each individual route.

 

Remember operator specific tickets will still exist, however the new Citywide tickets will mean if you want a ticket for all operators you will pay much less than you have to at the moment and in fact the new Citywide tickets are cheaper than First currently charge!

[LuSiVe 10]

Remember operator specific tickets will still exist, however the new Citywide tickets will mean if you want a ticket for all operators you will pay much less than you have to at the moment and in fact the new Citywide tickets are cheaper than First currently charge!

 

But if you need to come from Chesterfield and use a First bus in Sheffield you'll still be in the same situation as you are at the moment and have to buy more than one ticket?

[Guest busdriver1]

The PTE's best friend? are you sure about this or is this just the usual PTE bashing that about 70% of yours posts are about. The operators have a very big say in this as the are private companies and can always walk away from an area as they have done in other parts of the country (see Devon and Cornwall). Certainly on all the dealings i have had with the likes of First and Stagecoach I know just how much power they have in things like this.

 

The bus partnership is completely seperate to the one (since the other will not happen now via Waverley) BRT scheme that will eventually operate via M-Hell as you are probably aware but choose to ignore the fact that your claim regarding the 69 going to every 30 minutes will have absolutely zero impact in the already approved business case, funding and plans for the BRT. but why let facts get in the way of a good soundbite.

 

If you wish to scaremonger at least get something of substance and logic behind your claims.

 

My claims as you put it are based on the information given. Wait and see that is all I will say. My PTE bashing as you put it is based on facts and their complete innability to perform as per their remit.

The fact that the 69 service is to be reduced is actually that - fact. To support the BRT I think yes, as I believe it to be flawed and in need of bolstering to ensure it is used. Having the funding in place for it does not put bums on seats.

Scaremongering? Wait and see, I know what I believe.

[Guest busdriver1]

But if you need to come from Chesterfield and use a First bus in Sheffield you'll still be in the same situation as you are at the moment and have to buy more than one ticket?

 

The remit of the PTE does not cover Derbyshire, much to their dislike I am sure.

[sheffbag 230]

My claims as you put it are based on the information given. Wait and see that is all I will say. My PTE bashing as you put it is based on facts and their complete innability to perform as per their remit. .

 

what remit are you basing it on and what facts are you using to accuse the PTE of not performing.

 

The fact that the 69 service is to be reduced is actually that - fact. .

 

Supporting evidence please or have you looked at the link i provided above which is the latest confirmed news. If you have insider knowledge which i presume you have then please share it with us. The 69 is a commercial route with no funding from the PTE isnt it therefore it is a decision by First to amend any service it chooses to and nothing to do with the PTE

 

To support the BRT I think yes, as I believe it to be flawed and in need of bolstering to ensure it is used. Having the funding in place for it does not put bums on seats..

 

You do know that the original plans and business case was written for the BRT in 2008 dont you? And that the business case and bid submission called for an additional number of bus passengers using BRT in addition to the existing bus netowrk, not a replacement of passengers from one service to the other. So losing one bus an hour on a service 4 years after the bid submission and at least 18 months before BRT starts running has no relevance to it at all and until any bus operator confirms any changes to services then it is all rumour.

 

Scaremongering? Wait and see, I know what I believe.

Give us the facts then supported with evidence and convince us.

[Andy C 86]

But if you need to come from Chesterfield and use a First bus in Sheffield you'll still be in the same situation as you are at the moment and have to buy more than one ticket?

 

You will - the county boundary creates that issue, but you won't be any worse off and you will probably still benefit as the extra ticket you buy in addition to your Stagecoach Megarider to get travel with First is likely to be cheaper than now.

 

Although with the Stagecoach Sheffield network growing you may soon be able to get to your destination without using First...

[silverknight 10]

Here is a quick summary of the Proposals - Views to the PTE by 14th July.

 

If you live in the Birley - Worrall - Stocksbridge areas (cutbacks on routes 42 44 57) get your comment into the PTE today!

 

The details:

 

Routes:

 

1 Meadowhall to City via Manor Top, Jordanthorpe, Chancet Wood and Hollythorpe Rise

Frequency improved from 60 to 30 minutes daytimes and extended to City via Chancet Wood and Meersbrook. Chancet Wood service improved from 5 buses a day.

 

4 Littledale to City via Darnall and Attercliffe

To operate City to Darnall (Littledale) only with City to Millhouses provided by service 83 via Ecclesall Road, not Psalter Lane. It is also not intended to serve Poole Road.

 

5 Firth Park to City via Grimesthorpe

Unchanged.

 

6 Darnall to Fulwood via City

Service withdrawn, replaced by service 4 between City - Darnall and by service 83A between City and Fulwood.

 

7 Meadowhall to City via Manor Top and Norfolk Park

Service withdrawn, section of route between City and Manor Top provided by Supertram every 10 minutes and between Manor Top and Darnall by service 1.

 

10/10A Manor Park to Upperthorpe (Circulars)

Unchanged.

 

11/12 Stannington to City via Hillsborough

Revised route in Stannington no longer serving Nethergate.

 

13 Chapeltown to City via Grenoside, Fox Hill and Hillsborough

New service partially replacing 66/66A operating via Langsett Road, Leppings Lane, Halifax Road, Wilcox Road, Fox Hill Road, Grenoside, Bracken Hill, Hollowgate Foster Way, Cottam Road, Potter Hill Lane, Hague Lane, Thompson Hill, Wortley Road, Mortomley Lane, Greengate Road returning via Hollowgate and reverse of outward route to City. Frequency improved from 30 to 20 minute daytimes. Service 66 will continue to operate between Chapeltown and Rotherham only.

 

14 Loxley to City via Hillsborough

Revised route. Buses will operate via Ben Lane, Rodney Hill Hanson Road, Chase Road, Ben Lane returning to City via Wisewood, Hallowmoor Road, Wisewood Avenue, Hallowmoor Road, Ben Lane and reverse of outward route.An extend service 31 will provide evening and Sunday service

 

17/17A Hillsborough to Meadowhall

To operate between Hillsborough and Meadowhall only:- Revised route in Foxhill via Foxhill Road, Foxhill Crescent, Foxhill Road and Cowper Avenue instead of Wilcox Road which is covered by service 13.

 

20/20A Hemsworth to Hillsborough via Heeley, City and Southey Green

Evening and Sunday service provided by First ?

 

22 Woodhouse to Nether Edge via Stradbroke, Manor Park and City

Evening frequency to/from Woodhouse improved to every 30 minutes.

 

25 Woodhouse to Bradway via Woodthorpe, Manor Park, City and Woodseats

Revised route via Chadwick Road at Woodthorpe as First 25A and evening and Sunday service introduced.

 

25A Woodhouse to Bradway via Woodthorpe, Manor Park, City and Woodseats

Unchanged.

 

29 Penistone to City via Thurgoland, Wortley, High Green, Ecclesfield and Pitsmoor

Unchanged.

 

30 Crystal Peaks to City via Beighton, Woodhouse and Handsworth

Service to run to from city centre and change of operator. Loss of direct links to Hallamshire Hospital

 

31/31A Hillsborough to City via Walkley

Unchanged.

 

32 Rotherham to City via Canklow, Brinsworth, Catcliffe, Handsworth, Manor Top and Arbourthorne

Frequency reduced from every 20 to every 30 minutes daytimes.

 

35 Hillsborough to City via Shirecliffe, Wincobank, Meadowhall and Grimesthorpe

Revised route from City serving Grimesthorpe, Beacon Way, Jenkin Avenue, Meadowhall, Barrow Road, Standon Road, Newman Road, Shiregreen Lane, Sicey Avenue, Firth Park, Stubbin Lane, Barnsley Road, Longley Lane, Herries Drive, Leppings Lane to Hillsborough. Evenings and Sundays will call additionally at Sandstone Road.

 

35A Chapeltown to Thorncliffe Industrial Estate

Unchanged.

 

36 Hillsborough to City via Shirecliffe, Wincobank, Meadowhall and Grimesthorpe

Revised route from City serving Grimesthorpe, Beacon Way, Jenkin Avenue, Meadowhall, Wincobank, Newman Road, Sandstone Road, Shiregreen Lane and as service 35 to to Hillsborough.

 

37 Hillsborough to City via Shirecliffe, Wincobank, Meadowhall and Grimesthorpe

Service substantially replaced by new routes 35 and 36.

 

39 Jordanthorpe to City via Chancet Wood, Woodseats and Hollythorpe Rise

Service substantially replaced by service 1 extended from Jordanthorpe to City via Chancet Wood and Meersbrook every 30 minute daytime thus providing a substantially improved offer.

 

42 Crystal Peaks to City via Hackenthorpe, Frecheville and Manor Top

Evening service withdrawn, alternatives by 120 or Blue tram.

 

43/43A/44/44A Chesterfield to City via Dronfield and Woodseats

Unchanged.

 

44 Crystal Peaks to City via Birley, Frecheville and Manor Top

Evening service withdrawn, alternatives by 120 or Blue tram. During daytimes the service will curtail at Birley and will no longer serve Beighton Road or Crystal Peaks.

 

47/48 Herdings to Shiregreen via Newfield Green, City and Firth Park

Increased frequency from every 12 minutes to 10 minutes each giving a combined frequency of every 5 minutes.

 

49 Rotherham to City via Killamarsh and Mosborough

Service between Sheffield and Killamarsh replaced by Stagecoach service 71 and new Supertram Link SL3 service providing 10 minute frequency Monday to Saturday daytimes between Killamarsh, Sothall and Crystal Peaks. Evening and Sunday service between Killamarsh and Rotherham subject to revision.

 

50/50A Chesterfield to City via Eckington and Mosborough

Revised route at Halfway to operate via Windmill Greenway and Rotherham Road.

 

51 Lodge Moor to Charnock via Crosspool, City and Arbourthorne

Revised route via West Street instead of Broad Lane to improve reliability. Drop in medical centre on Rockingham Street no longer served.

 

52/N52 Woodhouse to Hillsborough via Handsworth, Darnall, City, Broomhill and Crookes

Unchanged.

 

53 Mansfield to City via Eckington and Mosborough

Unchanged.

 

53 Ecclesfield to Lowedges via Parson Cross, Owlerton, Kelham Island, City and Woodseats

Unchanged.

 

55 Plumbley to Frecheville via Crystal Peaks

Unchanged.

 

56 Wybourn to City via Park Hill

Unchanged.

 

57 Stocksbridge to City via Deepcar, Oughtibridge and Wharncliffe Side

Current service withdrawn, partially replaced by new service to operate every 30 minutes Monday to Saturday daytime between City, Worrall and Oughtibridge extended every 60 minutes via Manchester Road to Stocksbridge. Supertram link SL continue between Stocksbridge and Middlewood for connection by Supertram for City.

 

61/62 Hillsborough to Bradfield (Circulars)

Re-routed via Loxley Road as partial replacement for service 14.

 

64 Hillsborough to Rivelin

Unchanged.

 

66 Chapeltown to Rotherham via Thorpe Hesley and Kimberworth

To operate Rotherham to Chapeltown only with Sheffield to High Green section covered by new service 13.

 

69 Rotherham to City via Templeborough, Tinsley and Attercliffe

Unchanged.

 

70 Dore to City via Whirlow, Banner Cross and Hunters Bar

New service to replace service 30 between City and Dore.

 

71 Chesterfield to City via Killamarsh and Mosborough

New Stagecoach service between Chesterfield, Mastin Moor, Killamarsh, Mosborough and City operating hourly all day including evenings and Sundays. Link Mosborough Moor to Morrisons not provided.

 

72 Parson Cross to City via Shirecliffe

Services 35 and 36 continue to offer links between Shirecliffe estate, Hillsborough and City via Meadowhall. Service 83/83A can be accessed from Firshill Crescent.

 

75 High Green to Batemoor via Chapeltown, Ecclesfield, Firth Park, City and Woodseats

Unchanged.

 

76 Meadowhall to Lowedges via Wincobank, Firth Park, City and Woodseats

To operate between Lowedges, City and Firth Park as now then revised route via Flower Estate, and Newman Road to Meadowhall.

 

77 Chapeltown to City via Burncross, Grenoside and Hillsborough

Alternative services provided by First service 13 and Stagecoach service 79A.

 

78 Chapeltown to City via Burncross, Grenoside and Owlerton

Replaced by route 79A which will provide a 20 minute frequency.

 

79 Jordanthorpe to Ecclesfield via Norton, Newfield Green, City, Owlerton and Parson Cross

To operate every 20 minutes coordinated with service 79A from Jordanthorpe to Owlerton, then in both directions via Hazelbarrow Road at Jordanthorpe and revised route via at Foxhill Road, Foxhill Crescent, Foxhill Road, Wilcox Road, Deerlands Avenue and as now to Ecclesfield.

 

79A Jordanthorpe to Chapeltown via Norton, Newfield Green, City, Owlerton and Burncross

To operate every 20 minutes coordinated with service 79 from Jordanthorpe to Owlerton, then rerouted via Southey Green Road, to serve Deerlands Avenue (Asda), then Halifax Road and current route 78 to Chapeltown. Frequency increased from 30 to every 20 minutes daytimes.

 

81 Bents Green to City via Greystones and Hunters Bar

Frequency improved from every 30 to every 20 minutes daytimes.

 

82 Ecclesall to City via Hunters Bar

Frequent timetable coordinated with other First and Stagecoach services along Ecclesall Road to provide evenly spaced services with 24 buses per hour daytimes between City and Rustlings Road and 15 buses per hour to Ecclesall.

 

83 Ecclesfield to Millhouses via Parson Cross, Southey Green, Shirecliffe, City and Hunters Bar

As now from Ecclesfield to Ecclesall Road then Millhouses Lane, Springfield Road, Abbeydale Road (Waggon and Horses), returning via Dobcroft Road, Silverdale Road, Ecclesall Road and as now to Ecclesfield. Service coordinated with service 83A providing a 10 minute combined frequency.

 

83A Ecclesfield to Fulwood via Parson Cross, Southey Green, Shirecliffe, City and Hunters Bar

As service 83 from Ecclesfield to Ecclesall Road then Rustlings Road, Oakbrook Road, Fulwood Road, Crimicar Lane, Brooklands Ave, Moorcroft Road, Hallamshire Road, Hallam Grange Crescent, Redmires Road and Crimicar Lane, returning via Moorcroft Road and reverse of outward route to Ecclesfield. Service coordinated with service 83 providing a 10 minute combined frequency.

 

84 Ringinglow to City via Bents Green and Hunters Bar

Withdrawn.

 

85 Millhouses to City via Hunters Bar

Mon to Sat daytime frequency increased from 60 to every 20 minutes and 60 minutes evening/Sunday service reintroduced.

 

87 High Green to Lowedges via Chapeltown, Ecclesfield, Longley, City and Greenhill

Minor route change via Archer Road passing Sainsburys entrance. Will now operate every 20 minutes during the daytime.

 

88 Smithy Wood to Bents Green via Ecclesfield, Shiregreen, Firth Park, City and Hunters Bar

Largely unchanged, however all service 88A journeys will run as service 88.

 

95 Walkley to City via Crookesmoor

Evening service improved.

 

97/98 Ecclesfield to Totley via Parson Cross, Southey Green, City and Millhouses

Unchanged.

 

120 Fulwood to Halfway via Ranmoor, Broomhill, City, Manor Top, Hackenthorpe and Crystal Peaks

Unchanged.

 

123 Endcliffe to Crystal Peaks via City, Normanton Springs, Woodhouse and Beighton

Truncated at Endcliffe Road. Westminster Avenue section will be served by Route 83A. Loss of direct links to Hallamshire Hospital.

 

201 Chapeltown to Stocksbridge via Tankersley

Unchanged.

 

252 Crystal Peaks to City via Eckington, Gleadless and Newfield Green

Unchanged.

 

253 Crystal Peaks to City via Eckington, Coal Aston and Woodseats

Unchanged.

 

265 Barnsley to City via Birdwell, Hoyland Common, Chapeltown and Ecclesfield

Unchanged.

 

268 Hillsborough to Wharncliffe Side via Wadsley

Unchanged.

 

294 Dronfield to City (Circular)

Unchanged.

 

505 Millhouses to City via University

Unchanged.

 

A1 Rotherham to City via Tinsley, Meadowhall, Sheffield Business Park, Catcliffe and Parkway Markets

Unchanged.

 

H1 Northern General Hospital to Hallamshire Hospital via Owlerton

Unchanged.

 

FreeBee

Unchanged.

 

M17 Jordanthorpe to Dore via Lowedges and Bradway

Unchanged.

 

M92 Chapeltown to Fox Hill via Grenoside

To operate between Foxhill, Grenoside and Chapeltown only, no longer serving Harley.

 

P1/P2 Southey Green to Northern General Hospital (Circulars)

Unchanged.

 

S6/S6A Hillsborough to Wisewood

Unchanged.

 

SL Middlewood to Stocksbridge via Wharncliffe Side and Deepcar

Revised route via Carr Road at Deepcar, Stubbin, Nanny Hill, Manchester Road, Hole House Lane, East Whitwell, Moorland Drive and Garden Village, returning via Manchester Road, Nanny Hill, Stubbin, Carr Road to Middlewood.

 

SL2 Malin Bridge to Stannington

Unchanged.

 

SL3 Crystal Peaks to Killamarsh via Sothall

New service between Killamarsh, Sothall and Crystal Peaks serving Rother Valley Way, Owlthorpe Greenway, Hartland Avenue, Orchard Lane and Drakehouse Lane.

 

X10 Meadowhall to Barnsley via Shiregreen, Ecclesfield, Chapeltown, Hoyland and Birdwell

Unchanged.

 

X17 Chesterfield to City via Dronfield Bypass

Unchanged.

 

X52 Crystal Peaks to City via Beighton

Unchanged.

 

X78 Doncaster to City via Conisbrough, Rotherham and Meadowhall

Unchanged.

 

Tickets:

 

Proposed tickets for the new network are:

 

£4.30 for the day

£17 for the week

£63.75 for 28 days

£695 for the year.

Edited June 18, 2012 by silverknight

[SheffieldCCH 10]

Can anyone give me a valid reason why 28 day tickets exist? Name another "monthly" service that only last 28 days? Yet another plot by SYPTE/Bus companies to extract as much money as possible from people who need the bus for work.

[argente 10]

The day ticket is at a new lower price and the weekly is not yet available!

 

wrong......the city wide day ticket is £5.00, the lower priced day ticket, the weekly ticket, the monthly ticket, the yearly ticket and the City60 ticket that is just a re-hash of Firsts Switcha ticket are not yet available as they are only proposed tickets and prices, its all part of a consultation between members of the Sheffield Bus Partnership, nothing at all has been agreed.