Syrian Massacre

[callippo 10]

sorry mate but you really are a clown.

 

yes, everytime any American politician turns up in South Korea or the Philippines, Japan, or Taiwan, yes you can be sure a very small number of complete numpties will assemble, and make a demonstration.

 

but have you actually seen the size of them? They're usually no more than about thirty or forty people on these kind of demos.

 

polls consistently show that east Asian nations such as Japan and Korea have among the highest favorable impression of Americans and the United States of anywhere in the world - higher even, than Israel.

 

trying to make out like those demonstrations are in some way significant, is like trying to make out that Neuteri Karta, a tiny totally insignificant maniacal messianic religous sect, that wheel out the same half dozen faces on every demonstration, is in some way indicative of mainstream religous Jewish opinion in Israel - which many people have on this forum. Totally nonsensical.

[mj.scuba 10]

OK back on topic to Syria.

 

Article from today 12/06/12:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18405800

 

Some excerpts:

 

Syrian troops have tortured children and used them as human shields on tanks to prevent attacks by opposition forces, a UN report says.

 

The UN's Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict said children were being tortured in detention and slaughtered in massacres.

 

The UN special representative, Radhika Coomaraswamy, told the BBC her team had returned from Syria with "horrific" reports.

 

She said she had never seen a similar situation where children were not spared - and even targeted - in a conflict

 

"We are really quite shocked. Killing and maiming of children in cross-fire is something we come across in many conflicts but this torture of children in detention, children as young as 10, is something quite extraordinary, which we don't really see in other places."

 

This is from a UN report. Surely there can be no more apologetics for the Assad regime on this forum or accusations that it is all merely US propaganda.

 

The Free Syrian Army are not blameless either:

However, she also criticised the opposition Free Syrian Army for endangering children.

 

"For the first time we heard of children being recruited by the Free Syrian Army mainly in medical and service orientated jobs but still on the front line," she said.

Edited June 12, 2012 by mj.scuba

[Teddybare 10]

OK back on topic to Syria.

 

Article from today 12/06/12:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18405800

 

Some excerpts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is from a UN report. Surely there can be no more apologetics for the Assad regime on this forum or accusations that it is all merely US propaganda.

 

The Free Syrian Army are not blameless either:

 

No apologetics. Horrendous atrocities committed on both sides. That's what happens in civil unrest/tribal wars in Arab countries.

The rebels and their supporters have brought about a situation of lawlessness where evil acts can be committed with virtual impunity.

Whether the government has direct knowledge of these acts or is ordering them is up for debate. A tribal militia that takes advantage of a situation is different from a government paid force being ordered to slaughter children.

One success of the Assad regime, which began with his father, was that he brought all the different groups together in parliament and gave most of the minorities a voice and relative protection in Syria.

The Alawis are, historically, one of the most persecuted factions of Muslims. I believe if Assad is toppled in this way by the Sunni extremist rebels that the levels of sectarian violence will be far higher. Foreign powers keep meddling where they do not belong. The only possible outcome is chaos and more states that resemble Somalia.

All the money spent on arming the rebels and causing this trouble would be better spent on relocating the tiny free Syrian army somewhere else if they are not willing to wait as Syria slowly makes the transition to pseudo-democracy.

Just as it would have been in Libya where France, the uk and NATO backed 5000 rebels/mercenaries in a civil war that they never had any chance of winning or keeping control of the country once they had.

[XXTickerXX 10]

OK back on topic to Syria.

 

Article from today 12/06/12:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18405800

 

Some excerpts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is from a UN report. Surely there can be no more apologetics for the Assad regime on this forum or accusations that it is all merely US propaganda.

 

The Free Syrian Army are not blameless either:

 

What do you want to happen in Syria?

 

Do you want Assad to fall so the Sunni Population can massacre the Alawite population (which is guaranteed to happen and why they will do everything to stay in power).

 

Do you want the Free Syrian Army in power so the country gets taken over by a fundamentalist regime which has elements of Al Qaeda in it?

 

Do you want NATO to intervene and get lots of innocent soldiers killed?

 

Its sectarian between the Sunni`s and the Alawites.Let them sort it themselves.Just look how lawless Libya is now.They have weapons auctions in car parks.They have armed gangs controlling the airports and don`t let the supposed government do anything.

 

The main media is all anti Assad,why wouldn`t they be they want him gone.

Why did the BBC not even mention the FSA tried to get a British reporter killed a few days ago.

 

If you want me to pm you all the suicide bombings the free syrian army have done recently and filmed them i can.

 

They are no better than each other.Let them get on with it.

[Teddybare 10]

sorry mate but you really are a clown.

 

yes, everytime any American politician turns up in South Korea or the Philippines, Japan, or Taiwan, yes you can be sure a very small number of complete numpties will assemble, and make a demonstration.

 

but have you actually seen the size of them? They're usually no more than about thirty or forty people on these kind of demos.

 

polls consistently show that east Asian nations such as Japan and Korea have among the highest favorable impression of Americans and the United States of anywhere in the world - higher even, than Israel.

 

Israel is not occupied by American troops.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anti-American_sentiment_in_Korea

 

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/uglykorea/

 

Go ask some expats living in Korea.

For a race of people that are traditionally reserved and polite it is very surprising. The demonstration and antiamerican sentiment may not be as audible as in Arab countries but it is still clearly evident in many Koreans.

 

There have been some large demonstrations and some small ones. Doesn't change the fact that it exists.

[buck 11]

Yes. Because everyone who doesn't share your point of view is an idiot. And the quality of a forum is measured by how many friends you have or how pro-American it is?

 

How's about leaving emotions, and the desire to cultivate a fan following, at the door?

Then maybe you could actually post an opinion instead of a Facebook like or name calling of other users.

I have met people like you on this forum for many years. They come in here full of pee and vinegar for few months then disappear like the falling rain. Not everyone who doesn't share my point of view is an idiot. I enjoy a good debate with intelligent opponents, and am willing to concede defeat if it ever rarely happens, but you are a bigoted idiot. Go home, child, and put your toys away. Edited June 12, 2012 by buck

[dabuckle 10]

Syria is not Libya, it will not implode, it will explode beyond its borders...

Dragging in Iran, Lebanon, Turkey and Israel then larger countries that have economic interests like Russia and China will shape a regional middle east war into the largest world war ever witness by mankind.

 

UN entering Syria is equivalent to Hitler entering Poland, sounds Ironic if you remember why the UN was formed.

[Jeffrey Shaw 90]

Q: why should any country (or Treaty Organisation such as UN/NATO/EU/etc., for that matter) ever invade any other country?

[Teddybare 10]

Q: why should any country (or Treaty Organisation such as UN/NATO/EU/etc., for that matter) ever invade any other country?

 

A: profit. Humanitarian grouds?

Or just to keep the cost of gasoline in the US below 3$ a gallon.

"kick their ass, get the gas"

[Harleyman 12]

Invoking the memory of war dead servicemen is always a good way to end a discussion.

The high number in such a short time says more about the incompetency of the generals and the tactics used than it does about an American belief in making the world a better place.

Not questioning the sacrifice the soldiers made.

Self interest/protection was the reason they were sent to die for by their government.

Imagine the amount of european lives that could have been saved if America hadn't been sympathetic to fascist Germany and joined the war effort when it actually started rather than faltering for years and being drawn in only when threatened itself by Japan.

The motive for American interventionism and foreign policy is, the same as every other country's, self interest.

 

 

 

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-American_sentiment_in_Korea#section_1

 

Only been to Seoul once for a fortnight. But I did live and work with around 100 S Koreans for 18 months while I was in Australia. Their hatred of what they see as an American occupation seemed unanimous. They were divided however, on the issue of reunification with the north for economic reasons. Not sure the chubbyness makes any difference to Korean public opinion. If it did that would give them yet more cause to dislike America

There are protests at every visit by American politicians.

Occupied Korea & Japan, Taiwan, Philippines- it's really just modern day imperialism. Checking china's power in the pacific and reaping benefits of trade.

Things are no different, now, in Syria. The Saudis and the west want Assad gone so they manipulate the situation towards civil war.

 

Your ignorance only continues to manifest itself by all the cockeyed opinions you paste from YouTube.

I've read all this stuff before from others like you. You really have nothing new to say except that from your point of view based on working with a 100 Koreans in Japan and two weeks in Seoul ypu've appointed yourself an expert on Korea and south-east Asia in general :hihi:

 

I look forward to your in depth reports on France when you return from your one day trip to Boulogne

[Harleyman 12]

A: profit. Humanitarian grouds?

Or just to keep the cost of gasoline in the US below 3$ a gallon.

"kick their ass, get the gas"

 

Where does the US get it's oil supplies from?

[Harleyman 12]

Let him go on ranting, Harley, he's hilarious. There is always an idiot fringe at work in this forum, but luckily we still have a lot of friends here.

 

Lets hear it for the idot faction What woud we do for laughs without em?

 

They deserve a big hand