Can we influence Pakistan?

[spooky3 10]

It is estimated that more than 150 women have acid thrown on them every year and many never get justice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17780153

 

Full story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17676542

 

If you are squeamish, don't watch the video report, truly shocking!

 

 

 

We have a large Pakistani community who all seem to have strong connections with Pakistan, how can educated brits not influence this despicable routine practice...?

[spooky3 10]

"Even if he [the attacker] gets caught, he'll pay police off and he'll get away with it in most parts of Pakistan," she said.

 

"It's the easiest way to punish a woman. You can just throw acid and destroy her entire life in one second."

 

That's serious corruption if they can get away with things like this.

[*_ash_* 88]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17780153

 

Full story:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17676542

 

If you are squeamish, don't watch the video report, truly shocking!

 

 

 

We have a large Pakistani community who all seem to have strong connections with Pakistan, how can educated brits not influence this despicable routine practice...?

 

In many societies, when it comes to law, money talks. I'm led to believe that it's no different there.

 

 

 

We have a large Pakistani community who all seem to have strong connections with Pakistan, how can educated brits not influence this despicable routine practice...?

I'm not sure how ever highly educated you are that you can influence another society's law and order. You can certainly campaign for change, which many do, regardless of their own nationality or origins.

Edited April 20, 2012 by *_ash_*
added 'and order' for clarity

[spooky3 10]

In many societies, when it comes to law, money talks. I'm led to believe that it's no different there.

 

 

I'm not sure how ever highly educated you are, that you can influence another society's law. You can certainly campaign for change, which many do, regardless of their own nationality or origins.

 

I don't think Pakistan takes a blind bit of notice at what others say to them, hence why this is a plea to Pakistani nationals and their relations.

 

Surely such a devoutly peaceful religious country can change things like this themselves.

[*_ash_* 88]

I don't think Pakistan takes a blind bit of notice at what others say to them, hence why this is a plea to Pakistani nationals and their relations.

 

Surely such a devoutly peaceful religious country can change things like this themselves.

 

I decided to watch the video. It described a woman who committed suicide last week - her burns were absolutely unbelievable . I suspect that's why this story has made press now.

 

The campaigner in the video said exactly was I posted earlier. Money paid the law off.

 

Surely such a devoutly peaceful religious country can change things like this themselves.

You'd be hard pushed to find any people of any origin who aren't disgusted about this, but that in itself won't change things.

 

It may be a peaceful religious country, but it isn't the country who committed these offenses. It is individuals, just as every country has criminals.

 

For example to put it into UK perspective: there are numerous threads on this forum about the rich buying whatever they want; being corrupt; buying favours etc. Thankfully even the very rich would find it difficult to perpetrate this kind of crime in this country and get away with it. Probably in part because people involved in law are well paid [as much as anything].

 

Remember, this is a RICH country! Pakistan is a poor country, and the law can be bought easily by anyone with money.

Edited April 20, 2012 by *_ash_*

[Rupert_Baehr 10]

I have a number of friends who are Pakistanis. (I include my cardiologist on that list ... I hope he's my friend :hihi: (If he wants me to keep on paying him, he'd better be )

 

The sort of people who would consider mutilating non-compliant female family members are not 'ordinary' Pakistanis - they are primitives and their behaviour would not be tolerated in middle-class Pakistani society.

 

The people who behave like this are the dregs of Pakistani Society - people who were encouraged to come to the UK to fill cheap labour slots; People who were perhaps too thick to fit into British society and who (aided and abetted by the socialist government) were encouraged to set up their own primitive societies. The governments which imported them (And the last government is particularly culpable) made no attempt to educate them or to help them to join mainstream British society.

 

Should Pakistan wish to eradicate such behaviour, then the answer is simple - "Export all your retards to the UK. - They'll take them and they'll feed them."

 

If the Brits are really interested in eradicating female mutilation, then perhaps a Nelsonian Blind eye might help. Providing it was supported by a few bob to pay for buckets and Sodium Hydroxide.

 

After all, you can't have women who have been damaged by acid traking similar revenge on the males who burned them.

 

But what if those women were told where to find the men who had burned tham and 'loaned' buckets filled with Sodium Hydroxide?

 

"I won't burn your balls off with acid ... but after your willy and your balls have been swimming in a bucket of NaOH for an hour or two, they won't be much use ... even as an ornament."

 

"That's cruel!"

 

Too true. So is pitching acid in somebody's face.

 

A bollock for a cheek, a willy for a nose.

 

Give women the power (and the means) and they will sort out the males.

Edited April 20, 2012 by Rupert_Baehr

[anywebsite 10]

Pakistan is an independent country nowadays, we can only have so much influence. The worst we could threaten is expelling them from the commonwealth & it's not really a fate worse than death. All we can do is try to maintain good diplomatic relations & try to encourage them to do right. I'm not really in favour of foreign aid as bribery to do what we want, especially with nuclear armed powers, but it's one of the only tools we have. Britain doesn't rule the world & we can't stop everything wrong that happens on the other side of the world. I think we're a good 50 or 60 years past taking responsibility for what happens in Pakistan.

Edited April 20, 2012 by anywebsite

[MC Spyda 10]

And in return maybe Pakistan can help influence some of the despicable acts we have over here.

[everyman 10]

Really, Spyda?

[MC Spyda 10]

Yes .

[*_ash_* 88]

Pakistan is an independent country nowadays, we can only have so much influence. The worst we could threaten is expelling them from the commonwealth & it's not really a fate worse than death. All we can do is try to maintain good diplomatic relations & try to encourage them to do right. I'm not really in favour of foreign aid as bribery to do what we want, especially with nuclear armed powers, but it's one of the only tools we have. Britain doesn't rule the world & we can't stop everything wrong that happens on the other side of the world. I think we're a good 50 or 60 years past taking responsibility for what happens in Pakistan.

 

Precisely, and that would do nothing to help corruption within judicial systems.

 

If (for example) an officer is earning the equivalent of £1k, and someone offers them a bribe of £20k to turn a blind eye, then I would guess that most would take it. People talk of rich/poor divide in this country as being horrendous when in fact, compared to many societies, it is uncomparable. It is our own lack of knowledge to what reality is actually like for most countries.

[Rupert_Baehr 10]

I have a number of Pakistani acquaintances who live in Pakistan. They are nothing like the Pakistani low-life who commit such horrendous crimes against their families in the UK.

 

I also know a number of 'better educated' Pakistanis in the UK [and here in the US] they too are nothing like the trash who commit those crimes in the UK.

 

It's not the fault of the Pakistani people that there are large numbers of poorly-educated, poorly-assimilated people in the UK. - Blame that on the last government which brought them in, told them they could do what the hell they liked, made no attempt to assimilate them and then wondered why they behaved like uncivilised chavs.

 

Do you really think the Pakistani government sent their best and brightest to do menial work in the UK?