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Up to Stanage from Redmires, then down the other side. Don't try the other way though!

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Up to Stanage from Redmires, then down the other side. Don't try the other way though!

 

Just curious, is that legal ?

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Yes, it is a road: responsible offroaders will not go up Stanage Edge from the cattle grid though, only down. Members of the Landie Series 2 club were out there repairing drains a few weeks back.

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Is this an environmentally friendly thing to do?

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Is this an environmentally friendly thing to do?

 

Its a bit of a hot topic at the moment in the Peak District.

 

see

 

http://www.friendsofthepeak.org.uk/Campaigns/Take_back_the_tracks/

 

very simplisticly

 

You have the off roaders who have a legal right to be on certain trails.

 

The counter argument is that the damage they are doing costs more than the authority has to put it right again.

 

Part of the issue is that the Peak is much more accessible now, and 4x4s are much more common than 30 years back, so the damage is just getting worse.

 

The BBC covered both sides arguments in a program about 6 month ago

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016psp6

 

I've just noticed that by complete coincidence that program is being shown again tonight.

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Its a bit of a hot topic at the moment in the Peak District.

 

see

 

http://www.friendsofthepeak.org.uk/Campaigns/Take_back_the_tracks/

 

very simplisticly

 

You have the off roaders who have a legal right to be on certain trails.

 

The counter argument is that the damage they are doing costs more than the authority has to put it right again.

 

Part of the issue is that the Peak is much more accessible now, and 4x4s are much more common than 30 years back, so the damage is just getting worse.

 

The BBC covered both sides arguments in a program about 6 month ago

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016psp6

 

I've just noticed that by complete coincidence that program is being shown again tonight.

 

Thanks for the links. It backs up what I thought really. Personally, I struggle to understand how anyone thinks it's OK to cause environmental destruction and create noise pollution in a rural area. It's bad enough having pollution and congestion in urban areas without ruining what's left of our countryside as well. What sort of polluted enviroment are future generations going to inherit? All for the sake of wannabe Jeremy Clarksons churning up the countryside in a 4x4 :rolleyes:

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Thanks for the links. It backs up what I thought really. Personally, I struggle to understand how anyone thinks it's OK to cause environmental destruction and create noise pollution in a rural area. It's bad enough having pollution and congestion in urban areas without ruining what's left of our countryside as well. What sort of polluted enviroment are future generations going to inherit? All for the sake of wannabe Jeremy Clarksons churning up the countryside in a 4x4 :rolleyes:

 

Snore. Go back to polishing your thermos and bobble hat.

It's legal, so stop trying to ruin other people's enjoyment of the countryside.

Ramblers have something like 99% of the countryside to trample all over and waggle their disapproving finger at those who enjoy it in other ways.

 

Actually, hang on. "Take back the tracks"? Surely that would mean turning them all back into BOATS? Therefore making 4x4 use more prolific.

 

I firmly believe the bobble hat brigade are the scourge of the countryside and should be eradicated.

Edited by Greengeek

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Is this an environmentally friendly thing to do?

 

Who cares? It's legal.

Driving full stop isn't environmentally friendly.

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Most responsible 4x4 drivers hold folks like Clarkson in contempt imho. He is to motoring what the Big Bad Wolf is to childcare. If you are going to get all environmental about folks past-times, we might as well all stay at home wrapped in blankets.

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Who cares? It's legal.

Driving full stop isn't environmentally friendly.

 

There are degrees of unfriendliness though. Driving down a nice tarmacced urban road does a limited amount of harm (exhaust pollution, noise, wear and tear to road surface, etc); but taking motor vehicles up and down rough country tracks does far more harm. Stanage Causeway now is an absolute wreck; it used to be a nicely stone-paved rural road but has been destroyed over the past couple of decades so now apparently even the 4x4s can't go uphill on it.

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It's all very well sneering at wanting to protect the countryside but why not stop and THINK for a minute about the destructiveness of churning up the countryside and creating a racket just for the sake for it???

 

OF COURSE driving full stop causes pollution etc but no excuse for damaging the environment purely for the sake of pratting about in 4x4!!

 

Yes, it might be 'fun' but do you care one jot if there's no countryside to churn up in the future because you were so selfish in your mission to ruin it all:mad:

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Not quite right: 4x4's *can* go up, but the responsible drivers choose not to. There are two sorts of off-roaders: those who like 'green laning' and use 'normal' tyres, and there are those with big lumpy mud plugging tyres that tear the countryside up. The responsible ones want to keep their hobby, and will do what they can to avoid confrontation with other lane users, and help keep the lanes clear: trimming overgrown hedges etc, filling potholes...

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