School Shooting, 4 Dead

[Jew Boy 10]

I think it much more likely that it's white nationalism. Time will tell.

Assuming that you actually mean love and peace to all and that the motive remains a matter of speculation perhaps it's not quite the right place to start airing your anti - Islamic agenda?

 

Im afraid you misunderstand.

I have no anti islamic agenda. You must be confusing me with someone else.

[Harleyman 12]

This is a tragic and cowardly act. It does show however that such violence is not restricted to the US as many on here are inclined to think

 

Until the killer is identified it would be smart to withold comments in case you end up with your foot in your mouth

[Harleyman 12]

If it had happened in the US there would have been one post condemning it and 9 plus pages of posts from members of the NRA defending the right to bear arms.

 

Gun control doesn't work worth a damn in Europe does it then?

 

First Norway and now this and oh of course the shootings by that nutter in Cumbria last year or the year before

[flamingjimmy 10]

Gun control doesn't work worth a damn in Europe does it then?

 

First Norway and now this and oh of course the shootings by that nutter in Cumbria last year or the year before

?!?

 

Unless you're suggesting that teachers and/or schoolchildren should be armed then I really don't see how looser gun laws could have prevented this.

 

Perhaps you could explain?

[lored 10]

The shooter is proberly back up in germany now.

[Harleyman 12]

?!?

 

Unless you're suggesting that teachers and/or schoolchildren should be armed then I really don't see how looser gun laws could have prevented this.

 

Perhaps you could explain?

 

To quote an old saying " It's not the guns that are the problem it's the sickos who use them"

 

I'm sure that with the right amoount of money and knowing where to go any person in Europe could buy a gun under the table if the intent was to carry out a criminal act. It's basically no different than here where criminals buy guns illegally but it's always the law abiding members of the NRA who get lumped in with these criminals when people react.

[Halibut 12]

To quote an old saying " It's not the guns that are the problem it's the sickos who use them"

I'm sure that with the right amoount of money and knowing where to go any person in Europe could buy a gun under the table if the intent was to carry out a criminal act. It's basically no different than here where criminals buy guns illegally but it's always the law abiding members of the NRA who get lumped in with these criminals when people react.

 

Well, perhaps you have lots of sickos, but I think you have too many guns too, but in 1999 3,385 children and young people between 0 and 19 years were killed by guns. Loads of guns = loads more opportunities for people to get shot.

[Harleyman 12]

Well, perhaps you have lots of sickos, but I think you have too many guns too, but in 1999 3,385 children and young people between 0 and 19 years were killed by guns. Loads of guns = loads more opportunities for people to get shot.

 

Why harp on spouting statistics that are already well known. Assuming the day ever came when the Second Amendment became null and void it would do the government no good to attempt to enforce a law that all gun owners hand in their weapons to the local police department or wherever. If any did they would certainly not be of the criminal element.

 

There are plenty of penalties on the books which are severe enough for using a gun in a criminal act but there are also plenty of easy going, liberal minded judges who choose not to enforce these penalties to the full extent of the law

[LeMaquis 10]

To quote an old saying " It's not the guns that are the problem it's the sickos who use them"

 

I'm sure that with the right amoount of money and knowing where to go any person in Europe could buy a gun under the table if the intent was to carry out a criminal act. It's basically no different than here where criminals buy guns illegally but it's always the law abiding members of the NRA who get lumped in with these criminals when people react.

 

The saying is it's not guns that kill, but people. But if you give guns to people then they're going to kill.

 

The NRA are a sympton of the USA's obsession with guns. You don't get that to the same general degree in Europe. The UK's death rate by guns is about one twentieth that of the USA. The NRA might not be doing all that shooting but they still support the ownership of guns in general.

[LeMaquis 10]

There are plenty of penalties on the books which are severe enough for using a gun in a criminal act but there are also plenty of easy going, liberal minded judges who choose not to enforce these penalties to the full extent of the law

 

So are you saying it's the fault of the liberal judges rather than of the supply of guns that there are so many shootings in the USA?

[VideoPro 10]

The shooter is proberly back up in germany now.

 

Eh? Do you have some kind of evidence that the French police don't?

Taking the closest German city as a starting point, Freiburg to Toulouse is almost 1000 km. You're saying someone made a round trip of at least two thousand kilometers to shoot seven people?

[Harleyman 12]

The saying is it's not guns that kill, but people. But if you give guns to people then they're going to kill.

 

The NRA are a sympton of the USA's obsession with guns. You don't get that to the same general degree in Europe. The UK's death rate by guns is about one twentieth that of the USA. The NRA might not be doing all that shooting but they still support the ownership of guns in general.

 

 

The right to own guns goes back to the founding fathers. It was thought to be advisable that a militia (the ordinary man) be armed in case the British decided to come back or for that matter any foreign invader. Made a lot of sense back then.

Then during the expansion of settlers westwards guns were a necessity for defence and hunting so it's simple enough to see that the course of American history was far different from that of England. and that history very often influences how we all live today in any society.

 

Your attitude is that the law abiding majority should be penalized for the crimes of the few. This is a way of thinking that societies which have been ruled by big controlling governments have come to accept.

 

I would far rather live with a government that respects the rights of the individual and the Constitution than a government which firsts grants the right to own something then later on says "Hey! you dont have the right to own that anymore so give it up now" That smells of dictatorship.