Iranian President claims Nazi Holocaust was "myth"

[Disco_Cat 10]

Will you be writing a similar letter of support to the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

 

or do you have to be a white holocaust denier to enjoy the support of the BNP?

[Disco_Cat 10]

Originally posted by Lea1979

Doesn't really leave me with any sort of conclusion

 

I think it depends on why the person is making the statments. People like David Irving have their 'research' bank rolled by neo-nazi groups with the sole purpose of giving their anti-semtism the glimour of credibility they crave.

 

Holocaust denial and revissionism for peopel like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Irving and Nick Griffin of the BNP is a means to attack and demonise Jewish people. It's used purely to incite hatred against them.

[wolfman 10]

Its scary that in this day and age people can be locked up for 'holocaust denial' !

 

If say in Iran someone was locked up for saying God doesn't exist, our press and human rights groups would be up in an uproar (and quite rightly so).

 

Everyone has (or should have) the freedom to express their opinions, and to deny the 'holocaust' is their opinion.

 

Infact even when you read what most of the so called holocaust deniers are actually saying you find that they disagree on one of two things.

 

1) The actual number of Jewish people killed

2) The importance given to the Jewish victims over all the other victims.

 

I think alot of the 'denial' movement has stemmed from point 2, even individuals like Professor Norman Finklestein has commented that had it not been for the 'Holocaust Industry' which has been setup to exploit the deaths of Jewish people during WWII in order to further the political aims and crimes of Israel, then the so called problem of the deniers would never have arisen.

 

So in a funny way it just action = re-action.

 

I've not read anything where the 'deniers' have actually said that Jewish people were not killed.

 

As for the comments by the Iranian President, personally I think he's just gauding the Israeli's into attacking Iran. He probably doesn't need to try too hard as Israel has attacked every other neighbour it has in the the Region!

[Abdul 10]

Originally posted by pk014b7161

the difference between the west having nuclear weapons & iran

in my opinion is iran would not hesitate in using them

 

Eh? Tell that to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

 

I'm no fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but I am concerned about those who call for an invasion of Iran based on anything he says.

 

Don't forget only a couple of months ago, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson was openly supporting the assaination of Venezuelan President Chavez. And the White House response to the hugely influential TV evangelist?

 

Robertson is a private citizen and that his views do not reflect U.S. policy

[wolfman 10]

Except from http://www.rense.com/general37/otherw.htm

 

"ALSO RAN" HOLOCAUSTS

 

To maintain victim priority, it's necessary for the Jewish establishment to practise "holocaust denial" when it comes to other people.

 

In his book "Crimes and Mercies" (1997) James Bacque describes how he confronted New York Times reporter Drew Middleton with evidence that after the war the US starved to death over one million German POWs. "What Middleton told me basically was that, yes, he had lied in 1945 and no, it did not matter to him or the New York Times if I exposed this." (183)

 

"Middleton's sense of security, his sense of the New York Times' power, took my breath away," Bacque writes. "But worse than that, Middleton did not care about this atrocity... the New York Times witnessed it, then denied that it happened. And has gone on denying it into the 1990's." (184)

 

Bacque estimates that during the Allied Occupation (1946-1950) an additional eight to twelve million Germans were deliberately starved to death. The war did not end in 1945. For five additional years, Germany was subjected "physical and psychic trauma unparalleled in history." (93)

 

Red Army soldiers raped up to two million German women during the last six months of the Second World War, around 100,000 of them in Berlin. They also raped Russian women released from German labour camps. We live in a feminist era. Have you seen any movies about these women?

 

At Potsdam, the Allies ratified the 1939 Soviet-Nazi Pact that gave USSR half of Poland. Poland was compensated with the eastern quarter of Germany, in effect another gift to the Russian empire. This required the expulsion of about 12 million Germans, the largest forced migration in history.

 

Jews were prominent in the Polish Communist regime. In a stunning role reversal, Jewish policemen ordered Germans out of their homes and into cattle cars. In his book, "An Eye for An Eye" Jewish writer John Sack relates that about 1.5 million of these Germans died in the removal. He quotes a German woman from Gleiwitz: "What happened to the Jews was sad. But there was another Holocaust too." (138)

 

According to Sacks, Jewish Communists extracted another cruel revenge. They filled 1250 Nazi concentration and labour camps and brutally tortured and murdered tens of thousands of Germans. (101 ff.)

Have you seen a movie where concentration camp guards and commandants were Jews? Since 1948, the American Jewish Committee and the Anti Defamation League have censored all Hollywood scripts involving Jews. Since these bodies are extensions of Jewish finance, what other topics have they censored? (Gabler, An Empire of the Own: How Jews Invented Hollywood 1988,p.303)

 

In his book, "Victims of Yalta", Nicholai Tolstoy documents "Operation Keelhaul," the Allies' forced repatriation of two million Russians who were German slave labourers, prisoners of wars, or soldiers. These people were sent to the Gulag and liquidated. Where is the museum dedicated to them?

 

The mass media is unusually coy when it comes to reporting Communist atrocities. Nine million people died in the Russian Civil War (1917-1922). The Communists targeted czarists and Christians in particular. Stalin's purges and famines accounted for 20 million more deaths. In China, Mao ZeDong is blamed for a similar number. More recently, let's not forgot Tibet, Cambodia and Rwanda. (See Twentieth Century death tolls at http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm )

 

In "The Holocaust Industry" (2000) Norman Finkelstein describes how Israel helped its ally Turkey deny the massacre of one million Armenians in 1915. "Acting at Israel's behest, the US Holocaust Council practically eliminated mention of the Armenians in the Washington Holocaust Memorial Museum, and Jewish lobbyists in Congress blocked a day of remembrance for the Armenian genocide." (p.69)

[wolfman 10]

The really stupid thing about the current Iranian president is that had he have been a leader in the 60's, he would have been protrayed as a socialist!

 

If you look at the current Iranian political establishment, he was voted in by the poor in order to alleviate social injustices.

 

He lives a simple and frugle lifestyle, unlike many of the so called 'religous' clergy.

 

Its ironic that he wears western clothes, espouses social justice and is hated by the religous establishment!

 

I wonder how many people disagreed with his comments last week regarding Israel ?

 

The ones where he said that the Europeans committed the crimes against the European Jews, so why should the Arabs pay for it visa vis Palestine.

[barny_100 10]

Originally posted by Abdul

Don't forget only a couple of months ago, Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson was openly supporting the assaination of Venezuelan President Chavez. And the White House response to the hugely influential TV evangelist?

 

Robertson is a private citizen and that his views do not reflect U.S. policy

 

And your point is?

 

Are you saying the US government is responsible for all comments made by citizens of the US???

[depoix 11]

weve done this type of thread before, yes there were atrocities, but not in the numbers that are claimed to have happened...

 

http://www.rense.com/general69/dim.htm the curator of the israel museum admits the 6 million figure was false, and new plaques have been put up relating to what historians and the israel government believe are more realistic numbers

 

im not saying that people were not massacred,but not in the numbers that have been quoted in the past

 

 

add to the total the number of disabled people, the gypsies,the infirm,the homosexuals and the poles and russians and you will see that many more people other than jews were exterminated.

http://www.rense.com/general69/evac.htm

 

as the u s a has a vast number of jewish people in its government i see it as a slur to the usa,thats why the president said what he said,knowing it will force a reaction from america, after all ,the atrocities that have been caused to the palastinians by israel were only because of the millions of dollars the usa pumps into israel each year

 

without the support of the usa israel would not dare to do what they do, they are in breach of dozens of united nations rules but still never go to court over it, never again was their cry...yet school children are dying every day from israels snipers,thousands are made homeless due to their bulldozers,yet the west does nothing to stop it, so.....the media is the only option they have left.....

[Berberis 10]

Originally posted by Abdul

I'm no fan of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, but I am concerned about those who call for an invasion of Iran based on anything he says.

 

Abdul,

 

I remember clashing with you over whether or not Iran should be allowed to proliferate nuclear power stations and or nuclear weapons, but I don’t remember anyone saying we should invade Iran just because of this.

[taxman 12]

The article quoted by Wolfman is much favoured by crazed nazi loonies and can be found here for example

 

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/ showthread.php?t=69948

 

Poor old Nic Tolstoy who is also quoted is now I believe a bankrupt after losing a libel trial when he accused a British official of war crimes in respect of shipping back Nazis to the Soviet Union.

 

Now where did I put my photographs of Dachau.......

[depoix 11]

Originally posted by wolfman

Its scary that in this day and age people can be locked up for 'holocaust denial' !

 

If say in Iran someone was locked up for saying God doesn't exist, our press and human rights groups would be up in an uproar (and quite rightly so).

 

Everyone has (or should have) the freedom to express their opinions, and to deny the 'holocaust' is their opinion.

 

Infact even when you read what most of the so called holocaust deniers are actually saying you find that they disagree on one of two things.

 

1) The actual number of Jewish people killed

2) The importance given to the Jewish victims over all the other victims.

 

I think alot of the 'denial' movement has stemmed from point 2, even individuals like Professor Norman Finklestein has commented that had it not been for the 'Holocaust Industry' which has been setup to exploit the deaths of Jewish people during WWII in order to further the political aims and crimes of Israel, then the so called problem of the deniers would never have arisen.

 

So in a funny way it just action = re-action.

 

I've not read anything where the 'deniers' have actually said that Jewish people were not killed.

 

As for the comments by the Iranian President, personally I think he's just gauding the Israeli's into attacking Iran. He probably doesn't need to try too hard as Israel has attacked every other neighbour it has in the the Region!

only because israel knows the west will come flying to their aid, the first gulf war was caused because israel felt threatened and the west did their fighting for them, im old enough to remember the sturn gang that were terrorists when britain was trying its best to grant them the land in palastine under the balfour agreement, its still in living memory and i know of a soldier who actually was there and had to retrieve the bodies of the british sargeants that were hung in an olive grove by this mob, each one of the srurn gang were on wanted posters issued by the special branch,yet due to politics their leader menachum becom (sp) was later forgiven and made president of israel, through american influance:suspect:

[Phanerothyme 12]

Originally posted by depoix

only because israel knows the west will come flying to their aid, the first gulf war was caused because israel felt threatened and the west did their fighting for them, im old enough to remember the sturn gang that were terrorists when britain was trying its best to grant them the land in palastine under the balfour agreement, its still in living memory and i know of a soldier who actually was there and had to retrieve the bodies of the british sargeants that were hung in an olive grove by this mob, each one of the srurn gang were on wanted posters issued by the special branch,yet due to politics their leader menachum becom (sp) was later forgiven and made president of israel, through american influance:suspect:

 

Dr Ruth Westheimer was in the Irgun (Zionist Paramilitary Force)!

 

I think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is playing to the gallery, espousing the sort of simplistic rabble rousing rhetoric that will play well with a large section of the electorate. Is he naive enough to think this will not have a wider effect on the international 'community'?

 

Deliberately forceful and extreme statements like this are push-button anxiety inducers in Europe and the US, and I am certain Mr. Ahmadinejad knows this.