Occupy Sheffield Cathedral (Part 2)

[Penistone999 10]

Occupy Sheffield saw court papers which appear to show Sheffield Cathedral (a Christian organisation) taking Occupy Sheffield (an organisation of peaceful protestors of all faiths and none, campaigning for economic and social justice) to the High Court in search of an injunction on the matter of trespass.

Our appeal is for all parties to see the humanity in each other, to seek compromise over conflict, and peace over violence.

 

that sounds reasonable, dont you think?

 

No ,what is reasonable is for the OSC to leave when they were asked the first time weeks ago ,which would have avoided the need for court orders forcing you to leave.

 

It really is that simple.

[Nicoracle 10]

Occupy Press Statement just out https://occupysheffield.org/2012/01/25/cathedral-vs-99/

[Penistone999 10]

Occupy Press Statement just out https://occupysheffield.org/2012/01/25/cathedral-vs-99/

 

"Occupy Sheffield feels strongly that all legal costs could have been avoided if a substantive discussion had been entered into at an earlier stage (and not 24 hours before a court case, a belated offer which we could only decline as the subject of our proposed eviction was not to be discussed!).

 

 

This section makes me laugh

 

 

 

All leagal costs could have been avoided if the squatters had left the cathedral grounds when requested to do so by the cahtedral weeks ago . Simples.

 

Is it really so difficult for OSC to comprehend this simple fact. ?

[andygardener 10]

Occupy Press Statement just out https://occupysheffield.org/2012/01/25/cathedral-vs-99/

 

Access to funds? You've done in hundreds in well meaning peoples donations feeding your greedy faces and thousands hosting a party just so you could have Clowns!

 

Welcome to reality, playtimes over.

 

 

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[Penistone999 10]

Access to funds? You've done in hundreds in well meaning peoples donations feeding your greedy faces and thousands hosting a party just so you could have Clowns!

 

Welcome to reality, playtimes over.

 

 

 

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When a judge orders the named agitators to pay compo to the cathedral for loss of earnings ,lets see how big and clever the OSC lot are then . These people have cost the cathedral a lot of money ,and i totally agree with the cathedral wanting them to pay up.......

[andygardener 10]

A couple of questions before I retire to bed for OSC

 

http://www.blottr.com/uk/breaking-news/occupylsx-court-case-looms

 

Two well respected barristers Michael Paget and John Cooper alongside the solicitors Kaimtodner took up Occupy’s cause and prepared a case free of charge

 

https://occupysheffield.org/2012/01/25/cathedral-vs-99/

 

Through fundraising efforts Occupy Sheffield has managed to raise enough funds to be represented by Barrister Michael Paget who also represented Occupy London in the St Pauls case.

 

So for "occupy" down south Mr Paget acts pro bono but for OSC he charges? Are you sure about that? How much did he charge and how much of his fee have you already raised?

 

Did you not question Mr Pagets alledged unwillingness to work for free for you vs your southern brethren?

 

Or is he actually acting pro bono and you useless set of clowns are slandering your own brief before you even get to court?

[Anna B 1,414]

If some-one from occupy could give say five bullet points of percieved problems followed by five concise answers as to how they should be resolved. Then we wouldn't have to wade through long rambling threads and large amounts of text to actually see what Occupy are trying to do. This would make discussion so much easier to follow.

 

 

 

Occupy is a non-violent movement currently oporating in 23 countries, whose aim is a fairer and more equal society for all, via responsible capitalism. They are protesting against Corporate influence on democracy, the disparity in wealth* and the absence of legal repercussions behind the recent global financial crisis.

 

More specifically they want;

 

Bank Reform -

Tighten banking industry regulation

Ban high frequency trading

Arrest all financial fraudsters responsible for 2008 crash

End tax evasion by wealthy businesses and individuals.

 

Political Reform -

A commisson to investigate corruption in politics

A reduction in the influence of Corporations on Policy

End the corrupting effect of money in politics

End political croneyism

Revised methods for shortlisting of political candidates

Transparency and freedom of information

 

How do Occupy plan to do it? -

Through peaceful demonstration and explanation Occupy hope to bring about a democratic awakening in the population at large.

If large enough numbers put pressure on Politicians and Corporations through methods such as civil disobedience, mass embargos of products, peaceful protest etc. this might be possible.

True Democracy is no longer working. The politicians no longer fear the ballot box or the electorate.

The only strength of the common man is strength in numbers. Occupy do not want to see a descent into anarchy. They see themselves as the only alternative to this.

Edited February 11, 2012 by Anna B

[Donkey lover 10]

Anna, its all good and well but they all stink of wee and look trampy.

[Anna B 1,414]

Anna, its all good and well but they all stink of wee and look trampy.

 

(LOL) Thanks for that...

[Bladesman 10]

I'll try.

 

Occupy is a non-violent movement currently oporating in 23 countries, whose aim is a fairer and more equal society for all, via responsible capitalism. They are protesting against Corporate influence on democracy, the disparity in wealth* and the absence of legal repercussions behind the recent global financial crisis.

 

More specifically they want;

 

Bank Reform -

Tighten banking industry regulation

Ban high frequency trading

Arrest all financial fraudsters responsible for 2008 crash

End tax evasion by wealthy businesses and individuals.

 

Political Reform -

A commisson to investigate corruption in politics

A reduction in the influence of Corporations on Policy

End the corrupting effect of money in politics

End political croneyism

Revised methods for shortlisting of political candidates

Transparency and freedom of information

 

How do Occupy plan to do it? -

Through peaceful demonstration and explanation Occupy hope to bring about a democratic awakening in the population at large.

If large enough numbers put pressure on Politicians and Corporations through methods such as civil disobedience, mass embargos of products, peaceful protest etc. this might be possible.

True Democracy is no longer working. The politicians no longer fear the ballot box or the electorate.

The only strength of the common man is strength in numbers. Occupy do not want to see a descent into anarchy. They see themselves as the only alternative to this.

 

Some good aims there.

 

Although most of them were set out at the start and since then all OSC have done is generally make a nuisance of themselves and fail to win public support. Bickering with a church will not get this so called awakening off the ground.

 

I'm disappointed in the whole movement certainly in this country its been a total wet fish. Targeting churches, pitching up a number of mostly empty tents blocking the public's movements and generally just targeting the wrong areas of society to disrupt.

[Anna B 1,414]

Some good aims there.

 

Although most of them were set out at the start and since then all OSC have done is generally make a nuisance of themselves and fail to win public support. Bickering with a church will not get this so called awakening off the ground.

 

I'm disappointed in the whole movement certainly in this country its been a total wet fish. Targeting churches, pitching up a number of mostly empty tents blocking the public's movements and generally just targeting the wrong areas of society to disrupt.

 

Got any good ideas how they can promote their aims?

I think the British are fundamentally difficult to provoke into action.

[tinfoilhat 11]

I'll try.

 

Occupy is a non-violent movement currently oporating in 23 countries, whose aim is a fairer and more equal society for all, via responsible capitalism. They are protesting against Corporate influence on democracy, the disparity in wealth* and the absence of legal repercussions behind the recent global financial crisis.

 

More specifically they want;

 

Bank Reform -

Tighten banking industry regulation

Ban high frequency trading

Arrest all financial fraudsters responsible for 2008 crash

End tax evasion by wealthy businesses and individuals.

 

Political Reform -

A commisson to investigate corruption in politics

A reduction in the influence of Corporations on Policy

End the corrupting effect of money in politics

End political croneyism

Revised methods for shortlisting of political candidates

Transparency and freedom of information

 

How do Occupy plan to do it? -

Through peaceful demonstration and explanation Occupy hope to bring about a democratic awakening in the population at large.

If large enough numbers put pressure on Politicians and Corporations through methods such as civil disobedience, mass embargos of products, peaceful protest etc. this might be possible.

True Democracy is no longer working. The politicians no longer fear the ballot box or the electorate.

The only strength of the common man is strength in numbers. Occupy do not want to see a descent into anarchy. They see themselves as the only alternative to this.

 

Thankyou Anna, nice to get some ideas from occupy (although you might get drummed out for it;)).

 

I'm no expert in banking but alot of that seems resonable. I think Vince cable is going to try to reform it.

 

The political reforms, hmmmm. How big is corruption in uk politics really ? Can we name names or a whole list of examples ? Id struggle. The lobby system needs a bit of looking at but I've no problem with government asking successful businesses advice on certain matters, certainly as an increased number of mps know nothing of work outside politics. The two biggest problem is the lack of real choice, something occupy are oddly not bothered about and the electorate. Yep, the great unwashed. We don't vote, we had the chance to change the voting system and couldn't be bothered to turn out. council elections - 30% turn out ?

 

Tread carefully re civil disobedience. Don't ruin special events the country can get behind like the Olympics and the jubilee. Going against the 99% you claim to represent and your cause will falter, just look at the blowback from the cathedral. Even the fuel protestors who DID have backing in 2000 knew when to dial it back a bit.

Edited January 26, 2012 by tinfoilhat