Planner1   424 #37 Posted January 7, 2012 I've sent an email to Traffic Control......No doubt it will be filed in the appropriate place.  Regards  Doom  As has been mentioned by Chap Blade in post #33, my contacts advise that the signals at this location are not yet completed to the satisfaction of the Council, so they have not taken over responsibility for them. They have been designed and installed by consultants and contractors appointed by the developers of the retail park. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
WilburrUK Â Â 10 #38 Posted January 7, 2012 As has been mentioned by Chap Blade in post #33, my contacts advise that the signals at this location are not yet completed to the satisfaction of the Council, so they have not taken over responsibility for them. They have been designed and installed by consultants and contractors appointed by the developers of the retail park. Â WTF?? Are you saying that the council leaves the design of traffic control to private companies with a vested interest in aiding the flow of traffic to their own facility, but presumably, couldn't give a flying fig about other routes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1 Â Â 424 #39 Posted January 7, 2012 WTF?? Are you saying that the council leaves the design of traffic control to private companies with a vested interest in aiding the flow of traffic to their own facility, but presumably, couldn't give a flying fig about other routes? When large developments like a retail park gain planning consent, the Council will place conditions on the developer such as installing a new set of traffic signals, to the Council's specification. Â The Council cannot dictate to the developer, who they should employ to design and install the infrastructure, so they have the option of employing their own consultants to design it and contractors to install it. Â On many occasions, the developer finds it convenient to employ the Council's designers and construction teams to do the work. In this case, the developer has chosen to employ private consultants and contractors. Â The Council check and supervise the work to ensure that it is to the required specification. The Council do not adopt the infrastructure until the contractors have finished the work to the correct specification. There can occasionally be problems with taking this approach as the Council cannot control the pace at which the work is carried out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
metalman   21 #40 Posted January 7, 2012 Well, something seems to be still wrong with it today as when we came down the hill at about 3.30 this afternoon there was a massive queue of traffic stretching down almost to Leppings Lane roundabout, and we wondered why it was so busy there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Doom   10 #41 Posted January 8, 2012 Well, something seems to be still wrong with it today as when we came down the hill at about 3.30 this afternoon there was a massive queue of traffic stretching down almost to Leppings Lane roundabout, and we wondered why it was so busy there.  I got the bus into town at 4pm and the traffic was queuing back to the roundabout.....If it's like that on a Saturday afternoon, what will it be like in the rush hour tomorrow?  Let's hope the emergency services don't have to use that road, because they will undoubtedly get caught up in the jam......Madness!!!!  Regards  Doom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Doom   10 #42 Posted January 9, 2012 Credit where it's due.....The traffic was flowing excellently tonight at this junction.  Well done to the Council/Developers for sorting out the timings.  Regards  Doom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
garrence   10 #43 Posted January 9, 2012 They haven't got any CCTV coverage in that area, so will not be aware.  Eh? You were telling us a couple of years ago that Penistone Road is a "smart road" because there are ANPR cameras that log the number plates of every passing vehicle (and keep the data forever) so that they can see real-time data on how quickly roads are moving. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
satman2222   10 #44 Posted January 9, 2012 When large developments like a retail park gain planning consent, the Council will place conditions on the developer such as installing a new set of traffic signals, to the Council's specification. The Council cannot dictate to the developer, who they should employ to design and install the infrastructure, so they have the option of employing their own consultants to design it and contractors to install it.  On many occasions, the developer finds it convenient to employ the Council's designers and construction teams to do the work. In this case, the developer has chosen to employ private consultants and contractors.  The Council check and supervise the work to ensure that it is to the required specification. The Council do not adopt the infrastructure until the contractors have finished the work to the correct specification. There can occasionally be problems with taking this approach as the Council cannot control the pace at which the work is carried out.  We are still waiting for the pelican crossings to be incorporated in the lights at Grenoside/Salt Box Lane! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1 Â Â 424 #45 Posted January 10, 2012 Eh? You were telling us a couple of years ago that Penistone Road is a "smart road" because there are ANPR cameras that log the number plates of every passing vehicle (and keep the data forever) so that they can see real-time data on how quickly roads are moving. That gives them end to end journey time data. Does't tell them where there might be a localised problem on one day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Paul2412   10 #46 Posted January 10, 2012 If it's only been like that today, it's clearly a fault. You can report traffic signal faults on 2736666 anytime. The maintenance contractors respond very quickly.  What about these lights?  http://g.co/maps/4fwvc  Is this a fault? For several months, the lights in the foreground change to green only for the lights 30 yards in front to change to red. This results in the roundabout becoming completely blocked and total chaos follows.  Or how about these?  http://g.co/maps/s7fpp  Again, these lights turn green only for the ones just passed to turn red (giving priority to the side street that is rarely used). The ring road is stop start all the way around, not because of the traffic but because of the special person controlling the light sequences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
m^rk   11 #47 Posted January 10, 2012 Why would they be? The team who operate traffic signals is quite small, they can't be everywhere at once. So, if there is CCTV coverage it helps the guys in the control room to see exactly what's happening. And, if there is need for adjustments, they can easily be made. otherwise it usually means multiple site visits at different times, sometimes by more than one person.  The Council's Traffic Control team will only take over responsibility for the signals once they have been installed, checked and handed over by whoever the design and installation contractors are, which isn't necessarily the Council.  When are the clueless clowns on the planning team at Sheffield council who decided to alter the road system at Woodseats going to sort that out because the traffic is a whole lot worse now you have wasted millions of pounds for nothing well done  Not only that the idiots that decided to block off furnival gate have only succeeded in killing our city centre all you and the rest of the clowns at the planning department are doing is peeing people off with your cockeyed road systems it's about time you lot got your backsides in gear and sorted it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Planner1   424 #48 Posted January 10, 2012 When are the clueless clowns on the planning team at Sheffield council who decided to alter the road system at Woodseats going to sort that out because the traffic is a whole lot worse now you have wasted millions of pounds for nothing well done  Not only that the idiots that decided to block off furnival gate have only succeeded in killing our city centre all you and the rest of the clowns at the planning department are doing is peeing people off with your cockeyed road systems it's about time you lot got your backsides in gear and sorted it out. The basic problem at Woodseats is that there are too many vehicles wanting to use that piece of road at the same time. The road is over capacity, so it queues. No-one can sort that out without building extra road capacity. Which side of Woodseats road would you like them to demolish to do it?  All the Woodseats scheme did was relocate the queue that already existed to a place where buses could get to the front of the queue. My understanding is that the bus gate is to be taken out of use in the next few months anyway. Will it make much difference?  Would you like to explain exactly how blocking off through traffic on one side of Furnival Gate has killed the city centre?  I think you will find that most other major cities do not allow through traffic to go right through the middle of the city centre. They have ring roads and access loops, just like Sheffield. None of the traffic management measures you see here are exclusive to Sheffield, you see the same kind of thing in any large town or city. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...