Occupy Sheffield Cathedral

[A.B.Yaffle 24]

See this is the problem with groups like Occupy. They never garner any support because every time someone involves with them to open their gob and say something which is supposed to make them look good it actually makes them look monumentally dumbass.

 

Maybe that is because they haven't spent many thousands of pounds on lessons in public speaking, unlike most of our recent Prime Ministers.

[rickiethecat 10]

See this is the problem with groups like Occupy. They never garner any support because every time someone involves with them to open their gob and say something which is supposed to make them look good it actually makes them look monumentally dumbass.

 

If thse protesters really want to change society, why don't they start up a political party, create a manifesto, stand at the next election, campaign for votes and try to get elected so they would actually have some power to change the system?

 

Or is that too much trouble when it's far easier to enjoy a camping holiday by the cathedral?

[Cyclone 10]

Check a little online and you find few bankers statements admitting the accusations of corruption and greedyness in big bussiness and politics to be very true.

 

Government is made of liers. Don't matter where you go power corrupts and makes politicians very sick. Voting is meaningless, it only lets you choose wich jail you go to. Total freedom does not exist in politics, only compromises.

 

This global occupy is very very new. It is different. It is weird because it is different. Why is it like that?

It is because they dont play the same rules as established bussiness and government does. They dont have a goal like a politician. It is not greedy like a bank or bussiness.

It cannot play the sick old rules and regulations that makes it impossible to start fresh. They are looking for something new, totally new and fresh and this cannot be done the old way.

 

It will take a while for most people to understand this because they are not used to go down that road but after a while that may change.

 

Occupy has had enough of corrupt banking bussiness and politics caused by greed, selfishness, lies, lust for power.

They dont fight it like stalin in russia did, that did not work.

Something new and fresh is needed and to get there they cannot start using same old path and methods as the established rotten society has done.

 

Unfortunaly power corrupts big time and even people with good intentions have turned into monsters after they got power.

 

Even ghandi personally blessed the fighterplanes attacking pakistan while in power 10 years after he declared all arms should be thrown into the ocean while fighting for global peace.

 

What's this got to do with camping outside a cathedral?

[green 10]

What's this got to do with camping outside a cathedral?

 

We have answered this question many many many many times.

 

Read the full thread.

[Squiggs 11]

If thse protesters really want to change society, why don't they start up a political party, create a manifesto, stand at the next election, campaign for votes and try to get elected so they would actually have some power to change the system?

 

Or is that too much trouble when it's far easier to enjoy a camping holiday by the cathedral?

 

Perhaps some feel that by doing so would be just electing a different set of hogs to stick their own noses in the trough?

 

One might also wonder whether the politicians have as much power as they are attributed with, the banks have a lot of power to weild in politics as anyone entering Parliament with at least some honest intentions may well find out

 

So perhaps some may feel that just swapping the face of government wouldn't change all that?

 

So therefore what is the answer and why don't they just come up with an answer? Well, that's a big question - is that sort of question best answered by individuals trying to all come up with a solution on their own, or by involving themselves, connecting with other people with the same -rough- frustrations and perhaps gradually coming to more of a concencus as things go on?

Edited November 8, 2011 by Squiggs

[green 10]

If thse protesters really want to change society, why don't they start up a political party, create a manifesto, stand at the next election, campaign for votes and try to get elected so they would actually have some power to change the system?

 

Or is that too much trouble when it's far easier to enjoy a camping holiday by the cathedral?

 

This too has been answered many many many times.

 

Read the full thread, or go and have a chat to those outside the Cathedral.

[rickiethecat 10]

This too has been answered many many many times.

 

Read the full thread, or go and have a chat to those outside the Cathedral.

 

Life's too short to read nearly 500 posts of waffle. If you want to be taken seriously as an organisation, you all need to be speaking with one voice.

 

And if you think I'm talking to that ragbag of lentil-munching guardian-reading dole scroungers outside the cathedral, you must be having a laugh! If they want to change society they should be taking their message to us, not the other way round.

[Squiggs 11]

Life's too short to read nearly 500 posts of waffle. If you want to be taken seriously as an organisation....

 

Perhaps they don't.

[Guest]

Most people are generally misinformed and tend to read right wing sensationalist news papers and other sources of information ran by people with a typically right wing agenda. The governance of this country is market led and in no way ran in the interest of most people. As you also mention people tend to have a polarised party line that they have been brought up to support one side or the other and somewhat ignorantly refuse to budge regardless of what their particular group do, new labour is a prime example of this).

 

So people are stupid and cannot be trusted to vote? Communuism you say? Worked well so far..

 

Firstly you fail to acknowledge that people don't rise in companies this is a myth, social mobility has never been so low, and companies don't give a monky's about the good of the nation.

 

I agree, social mobility is low. People voted Labour thinking that it would improve this, but all they did was rise/lower people to an average whilst ignoring the very top and bottom. May as well go back to a 3 tier education system. at least a very small amount of poor people were able to excel and take this country forward then.

 

Bankers and government don't like the protesters because it forces people to see the shortcomings and shoddy behaviour of these so called professionals.

 

I'm sure a few people camping outside the Cathedral does not effect them whatsoever. Indeed, the protesters make themselves look stupid with the general public. If they protested outside a bank they would get moved on but would cause more trouble, and generate more positive publicity and support within the country. sitting outside somewhere pointless is nothing other than a nuisance

 

 

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[Cyclone 10]

We have answered this question many many many many times.

 

Read the full thread.

 

Maybe you could tell me which post, I'm at work and this is 25 pages long!

[dabuckle 10]

Which feelings?

 

I'm awaiting to see if they come up with some sort cogent point before I can express much of an opinion on why they are camping outside Sheffield Cathedral.

 

I dont think its the case of waiting until they comes up with a reason that is worth protesting about (because they already have many), I think you need to do a little research and find out what these reasons are instead of blasting of left right and center you ignorant conclusion to all of this, because you are wrong!

 

THINK!

[dabuckle 10]

Life's too short to read nearly 500 posts of waffle. If you want to be taken seriously as an organisation, you all need to be speaking with one voice.

 

And if you think I'm talking to that ragbag of lentil-munching guardian-reading dole scroungers outside the cathedral, you must be having a laugh! If they want to change society they should be taking their message to us, not the other way round.

 

They are NO organisation they ARE single people with personal views and ideas about the rotten system that needs changing.

 

If you aint going to stand up against...

 

HIGH TAXES

UNTAXED RICH

WARS

IMMIGRATION

EDUCATION

CORRUPTION

GENOCIDE

FALSE ECONOMY

POVERTY

FAMINE

ect...

 

The 99% will.

 

 

Many people may think these problems have been going on for year, decades and even centuries why start protesting now?

 

ITS CALLED A HUMAN AWAKENING, SO WAKE UP AND JOIN THE REVOLUTION!